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Since Wrestlemania there's been nothing but stories about John Cena winning an amazing 17th title, blah blah blah... It's a "History making moment", yadda yadda yadda...

Like...of course he did. It's the storyline. It's quite literally "in the script".

This isn't an achievement. Why is this in my sports news next to last night's hockey scores instead of next to an article about who was the bitchiest on the lastest episode of Real Housewives?

I get it. I loved Wrestling growing up. Back when we all WERE pretending it was real; Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, etc... But I thought at some point they steered into the whole "entertainment" aspect when most of us grew the hell up and clued into the absurdity of it all.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

This isn’t an achievement. Why is this in my sports news next to last night’s hockey scores instead of next to an article about who was the bitchiest on the lastest episode of Real Housewives?

Because wrestling is a huge business and it has a lot of overlap with combat sports fans.

Like…of course he did. It’s the storyline. It’s quite literally “in the script”.

Yesn't.

An actor breaking the record for most best performer oscars won in a career would also be newsworthy, yet you can absolutely pay your way to an oscar.

John Cena is remarkable in that he's such a draw that a multi-billion dollar organization decided to set his career as the new ceiling to break for the next big star, by breaking a record untouched for decades, might I add. That's newsworthy.

That isn't scripted, that is a performer being skilled at what he does, as much as I personally don't enjoy his work.

But I thought at some point they steered into the whole “entertainment” aspect when most of us grew the hell up and clued into the absurdity of it all.

This is like, the most "I learned something so the rest of the world learned it with me" I've ever seen.

Wrestling has been known to be fake for over a century; newspapers stopped reporting on it as a factual sport in the early 1900s.

Hell, it was known to be fakery before it was ever televised.

Kids don't know until they do.

It's live action martial arts anime theater. No more, no less.

tl;dr: Should John Cena's record-breaking 17th title win be in the papers? absolutely. Sports section? Maybe, depends. It is a "sport" in the same way that figure skating or synchronised swimming is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Who cares? Let people enjoy it if it makes them happy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It's a soap opera with fighting. Of course fans are talking about the characters and the story. Nobody talking about anything that happens in a soap Opera will add that it's just fiction, they're talking about the events.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

WWE is less wrestling and more a glorification vehicle for the MacMahon syndicate. All the real pro wrestling is on AEW or the circuits now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a load of bots because Netflix spent the GDP of a small country on it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

People are excited about the writting in the show they watch. 90 banillion articles came out about Severence too.

People that are fans then play into the kayfabe, as thats a large part of the point of the show.

Let people enjoy things, they arent harming you by talking about wrestling.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I mean people get excited over TV shows all the time? Doesnt have to be real for people to talk about it and be excited

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I remember liking that video the first time I saw it. If I remember correctly though, the creator of that video had quite a few sexual abuse allegations against him and I wasn't really into it after that came to light.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I had no idea. Thanks for enlightening me. I'll forgo referencing Landis from now on. Learn something new everyday...even if the new knowledge is old and awful.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

We've regressed into believing a lot of imaginary things are real.

Wrestling is the least of our worries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, you see the same kind of thing with scripted television where there's no kayfabe at all. We recently got the season finale of Daredevil Born Again, and there were all kinds of posts/comments/etc talking about how satisfying/bad ass it was to see Daredevil and Punisher beat down a bunch of cops. We all know it's scripted fiction, but it's still fun to watch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No, we know the outcome's predetermined. Last year's Wrestlemania was basically written six-months ahead of time.

It's still fun to watch though, and the athletes do some amazing shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I wouldn't call them athletes if their skill isn't what determines the outcome. Performers certainly like cirque du Soleil.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I wanted to be a pro wrestler in my teens, I hung around with local wrestlers and did ring crew work from time to time when a show was local. Eventually they started giving me some training and let me tell you it takes a lot of athletic ability to make those moves look good without injuring the other person.

Just because the outcome is predetermined doesn't mean the lead up to the outcome isn't an athletic competition. They are competing in that ring, it's just that they are competing for a chance at a belt and earning the belt is the equivalent of a promotion in the workplace. Champions get better pay and more opportunities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

wwe have to labe them as sports performers, so they arnt subject to any regulatory issues, like with roids and standards. we know alot of the wrestlers was on PEDS, rock and cena was the most obvious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Freestyle skiing, snowboarding, skating, bmx, motocross, mountain bike etc says you're wrong.

While it's possible to compete in events for most or all of those things competition is only a tiny part of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not? What definition of 'athlete' are you even using? Did you just decide this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

athlete Athletes compete or strive against others to attain a goal, TV wrestlers perform, or enact a feat before an audience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could say there goal is to perform for that audience, as a team….of athletes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

No idea why my previous comment shows as quoted, but whatever

My argument is that if they were actually competing that would mess with the performative nature of the storytelling.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LOL

Go try to do moonsault off a steel cage without breaking your neck and then you can judge.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Still not an athlete.

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