I stand corrected, not based.
The "don't vandalize my car pls" sticker
this post was submitted on 22 Apr 2025
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Too verbose. I have a simpler one on mine:
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Honestly I view Teslas with these sorts of stickers as even worse than not having them, because Musk was always this bad.
An "I didn't know and now I regret it" sticker would garner much more sympathy from me.
Your memory is faulty. Musk "was" a visionary savant that tried to advance humanity by making EV mainstream and advancing the mars mission. The facade dropped recently
Edit because people will mention it. Yes musk was always shitty and Its doubtful that he deserves credit for any of his ventures. But most people didn't realize that until at least 2022.
No, their memory is fine. You're knees are just a bit more scuffed then theirs.
July 16, 2018. That's when Musk called that rescue work a pedophilia.
That's when his antics couldn't be hand waved as eccentric or trolling. The rumors that he was a shitty boss weren't back up yet, he was still pro-LGBT and he had renewed public interest in space travel after the shuttles were retired.
But Tesla was popular before that. In 2012, Tesla was the only EV that didn't completely suck.
Its honestly blown my mind that it's taken this long to get something that's even somewhat competitive with the Tesla's.
Like a Model 3 is $35k, has a near perfect safety score, can go like ~360 miles on a charge, and is a 4 door sedan.
Let's look at some competitors why don't we?
- BMW i3 has a 4 star rating, gets like ~300 miles range, and costs $60k
- Honda Prologue does have a 5 star rating, but it only gets ~300 miles range, and is a SUV, it also starts at $50k
- BYD HAN (the only one i could see on their website in the states) only gets "300+ miles" on a charge, but it supposedly only costs around $30k. I also couldn't find any safety information that didn't come from the Chinese government so I wont comment on that.
Obviously Musk is a bad guy and you shouldn't give him money and all that. But it seems like the legacy manufacturers are like 3-4 years behind, and that's the smallest the gap has ever been.
Tesla had two advantages. Let's ignore the original Roadster here, nobody bought one anyway and it was not a ground-up design by them.
First off, they started with a "luxury" EV. Luxury cars have high margins and you can more easily fit the price of the big battery in there - and since the S was a pretty big car, you have space for a big battery. The other two mainstream EVs at the time were the tiny Nissan Leaf and the even tinier Mitsubishi I-Miev - you couldn't fit a big battery in a car that tiny, nor can you charge enough of a price to pay for a big battery.
Note here I said "luxury" because if you compare the Tesla model S to the similarly priced Mercedes-Benz S-Class or BMW 7 series... Yeah no, the quality isn't anywhere near good enough. But it was still in the same market segment and competed by being completely unique at the time, instead of competing through luxury.
Secondly, they had no ICE heritage. No existing cars to start with. It's a huge advantage because they could design the platform right away to have a large flat battery pack at the bottom, etc. Meanwhile, Mercedes started selling its' first serious EV attempt in 2019 and that still had a transmission tunnel because it was based on the GLC SUV (which itself was just a C-Class on stilts lol). It didn't have a drive shaft, so no need for a tunnel for it. Just a waste of space. The first dedicated EV platform came out in 2021 with the EQS sedan. BMW made the i3 in 2013, but it was tiny, ugly and needed to burn gasoline to extend range. Bleh. First proper EV? The i7, came out in 2022, STILL shares its platform with the ICEs. Audi? First proper EV was the OG E-Tron SUV (now called the Q8 E-Tron, unrelated to the actual Q8) in 2019, shares platform with ICEs, but it was among the first earliest EVs to have a proper heat pump system to keep you warm without draining the battery straight to zero in the winter. Range? Bad. Overall quality? Meh. Performance was decent and it at least feels like a proper car though. Suspension was superb. Felt like a small light car driving it. For a 2.5 ton SUV that's a compliment. But worst of all? It's being discontinued, and the downmarket EVs (Q4 E-tron) from Audi are way worse. So of the big 3 Germans, Mercedes is the ONLY one to use a dedicated EV architecture for some of its vehicles.
Look, I'm a huge fan of German cars. Love-hate relationship with Audi, love relationship with BMW and Mercedes. Starting with the Passat B6, I pretend Volkswagen doesn't exist. But they fumbled it all HARD and they would've had the absolute best chance to be Tesla killers. They know how to make big expensive luxury cars. Could've launched proper luxury EVs a decade ago and Tesla would be a regional automaker for the US. But they didn't. Because of their arrogance and complacency. Fucking Jaguar of all companies even beat them to it.
I agree with lengau too. He's always been a grifter, claiming other people's achievements as his own, implementing unsafe practices in his factories, union busting, etc...
It wasn't very easy to see without paying close attention to him though. And who was paying close attention to him at the time?
Anyone in tech who followed the rise of paypal
Thunderf00t was paying attention, but I can't think of too many others.
I got into an argument over it with people in 2016-2017.
He was always this bad and I've been warning people about him for a decade or more. That's the point - own the fact that you were ignorant rather than pretending this was some sort of change in him.
Well, it probably means the latter, just that the person probably didn't know of the political situation back then.
It means people were to ignorant or too dumb to notice some clearly huge red flags Elon was a nazi scam artist.
This is so weak... these tesla owners are pitiful.
"Power does not corrupt, it reveals." John Steinbeck
We've also just created a system that rewards psychopaths.
He’s been toxic for a long time though, a long long time. I do remember the first kink in his public armour was when those people were stuck in a cave and he called one of the rescuers a pedophile for not taking his advice
You are correct, but the average person is not paying attention to that kind of stuff.
To be fair, Tesla began production of their first cars in 2008. The pedo cave thing was 2018.
Retrospectively, there were many signs but in 2015, I don't think the general public had their attention directed to Elon's bs.
I understand that Tesla feels like a young company and that everything that Elon did happened super recently. But it has been 17 years. E.g. Elon has talked about self-driving cars in 2015, promising them for 2018. Elon has failed to keep his promise of self-driving for 7 years now.
I am not arguing that Elon wasn't a weird fascist with a toddler RP kink in 2008. Or that we couldn't have known what kind of man he is. But rather that I don't think the general public knew and understood in the early years of Tesla.
That being said, this seems to be a model 3 which got released in 2017... So I think that person was probably aware of the pedo cave thing at least.
Now that you mention it...
My favorite I've ever seen:
"I bought this before Elon went crazy."
on a Camry
I saw a Model Y today that was debadged. First time I've seen that. Give them a pass? I know most will say no, but certainly there's people out there who don't keep up with news and bought a Tesla because it was a choice for an EV and no other reason? I just don't like throwing people under the EV only because of what product they picked.
It's not even about keeping up with the news... It's about people who can't afford to switch, for a multitude of reasons.
You know I would argue with you that people that could afford a trend car won't likely hurt that much if they lose money on a trade, but I met a dude in ft Lauderdale who was mad over extended on his financials to look trendy. Same area many years earlier I met a Publix cashier who drove one of those small lotus' not the 340r but something with an enclosed cabin.
Edit: looked it up it was the Elise.
Yeah. It's crazy how much people overextend finances for cars
Yes, after the fact you can't just dump what you have and get something else unless you can afford to lose the money. I was referring to when some were out looking for an EV, especially back when Tesla was the name everyone was talking about. Now there's much less of an excuse since other brands offer decent alternatives.
I have BYD badges on mine until I figure out what I'm doing with it. The Rivian R3X can't get here quick enough.
Musk has always been a shithead. He was always batshit crazy. It just took people 20 years to realize it.
would have been even longer if he just kept his mouth shut.
Would have been longer if he didn't stop paying his PR team.
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