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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My mother is a divorcée. In 90s Ireland, she was demonized by the Catholic Church, and was publicly refused communion by the local priest after she left my (at the time alcoholic and abusive) father. She had a crisis of faith after all that and accepted the "fact" that she was doomed to hell while her five children would go to heaven. She quietly accepted this and from then on refused communion at all events, making up excuses with us none the wiser.

In the mid 2000s, I came out as gay and following that, spurred by the church's cruel treatment of my mother, left the church via apostasy. I had to tell my mother in detail as I was no longer allowed to be buried in a Catholic graveyard. She laminated the letter confirming my leaving of the church from the bishop.

In the mid 2010s she and I campaigned for Marriage Equality together. She told me about her crisis of faith. She also told me how I helped her through the other side of it just by existing. Before she thought all her children would be separated from her after death. But heathen that I was had equally doomed myself to join her. Logically that would make hell lesser. Logically that means the more sinners in hell, the less hellish it is. Therefore hell in its most hellish is empty, and the whole threat is bullshit whether you believe in an afterlife or not.

The fucking POPE saying something like this is huge, and very important for people that carry a burden of Catholic guilt. Good on him, and RIP.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I sometimes joke that I hope my late best friend has gone to evangelical Christian hell, because he was a bisexual punk who loved tabletop roleplaying games (like Dungeons & Dragons).


I was raised vaguely Christian, and when I was realising I didn't believe in God, I felt a lot of conflict, because I was still scared of going to hell. I was getting stuck on the idea that if all good morality came from God, does that mean that I would be evil as an atheist?

In the end, I concluded that if all morality came from God, that the many atheists who lead good and virtuous lives must still have the favour of God. On the other hand, morality existed independently of God, but that unbelievers would go to hell no matter how good they were in life, then I'd rather be defiantly good and go to hell than be coerced into belief.

This was before I understood that hell has historically often been understood as just a place without God (which, to a Christian view, is a hellish existence).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Well, he is right, hell is empty, but then again, so is heaven

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Actually, per Catholic dogma, Hell is full of people like me

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

i believe that hell essentially codifies not the principle of torment, but actually stagnation, which, to many people, is a form of torment.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The old testament did not even mention hell and thus Jews don't believe it. Hell is a Christian invention to control the masses through threat of eternal damnation for disobeying the authority.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

i'm not believing that since i remember reading that the concept of heaven/hell is essentially the idea of dualism that is older than judaism itself, even, at least dating back to zoroastrianism, which existed in the middle east already at the time that judaism was formed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism with the added caveat that what constitutes Judaism changes with time as modern Rabbinical Judaism and Priestly Judaic practices aren’t identical (The destruction of the second Temple in Jerusalem by Rome leads to the Rabbinical movement)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The concept of an afterlife consisting of Heaven and Hell absolutely existed in Judaism prior to Christ.

That was the primary difference between the Pharisees and Sadducees. Pharisees believed in more of the supernatural and the afterlife, whereas Sadducees were a political class of priests with no interest or belief in the supernatural.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I can't speak for god or anything

- the guy speaking for god

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not religious so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Pope is a prophet? Like yeah he's the official leader of the Catholic Church but I don't think they believe that he convenes with god... I could be wrong though.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

LITERALLY God’s designated representative

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Neither heaven nor hell exist, so you can all stop worrying about them.

Enjoy your life because it's the only one you get.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

You should only worry about them if you're a sociopath who requires the threat of eternal torture to keep you from hurting others.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Still true if they exist tho. Paradise is being with God, so bye bye free will. Hell is beimg simply cast out, so yeah.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ngl, going to hell & not seeing other people there sounds kinda neat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

No one bugging me for eternity sounds pretty nice

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

the overarching theme in 1st castlevania series, was that hell was empty by summoning them as night creatures.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What a pleasant thought for the child diddling priests he did nothing about.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you only need to take one look at the Pope’s evil gold throne to know the entire institution of Catholicism is bullshit….
i mean, there’s a lot of other ways to figure that out, but the throne is glaringly obvious

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, in the photo he's just sitting in what appears to be a wooden chair... which I'm sure still cost more than my entire life has.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That's a nice thought. Charitable. Wishing to see hell empty, as in without anyone there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We must imagine ~~Sisyphus~~ Hitler ~~happy~~ up to his eyeballs in a lake of boiling sewage

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

1000019389

Hitler is in human heaven for the same reason some humans are in tiger heaven.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

As the old SubGenius proverb goes, the difference between Heaven and Hell is which side of the pitchfork you’re on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Having pineapples shoved into his ass 3 times a day

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