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Feels like there should be large disruptive protests around wherever ICE is headquartered. Surely they have offices?
Wow, I hope the taxpayers put a FAT settlement in his pocket when he sues them. Kidnapped by the state for 10 days? Lawyers are salivating.
I’m not American so it’s kinda legitimate question.
Are there any good people working for ICE? Or is being an abusive racist cunt part of the requirement?
(I guess there are probably nice normal peoples working there but they are probably too afraid to stand up)
Edit: Wow, I didn’t meant to start such a heated debate. It’s just that from an EU perspective, you have tons of law enforcement from county to federal level, plus the military. But it’s always ICE that you can see doing the awful shit to other human beings. You don’t hear about ATF detaining a kid while showing him rape video of his mother (it did not happen, yet), it has to be ICE, it’s always ICE. Hence the question, what’s the difference between ICE employees and ATF/FBI/local PD/whatever employees?
A bad apple spoils the bunch.
We tend to leave the spoiling part out of the metaphor for some reason...
There are no good people in ICE. It doesn't matter how they present themselves outside of work, they're all Fascist class traitors willingly upholding and legitimizing a Fascist regime, detaining and deporting citizens and immigrants alike ILLEGALLY, and filling the role of the Gestapo from Fascist Germany. Being abusive, racist, and a bastard probably isn't mandatory for the role, but it's the overwhelming majority of people who work there.
Do not pity or feel sorry for them, they'd kill you if they could get away with it.
There are no good people in ICE.
Boy, I sure do hate ICE right now so this is hard to do but you’re saying if someone works for ICE they are, by that fact alone, a bad person?
That’s an awful lot like forgoing due process and determining someone’s “guilt” because you said so.
I’m pretty disgusted at those who don’t have the integrity to do what’s right, to take a stand to the unlawful and immoral orders they’re being given. I wouldn’t blame anyone who used any amount of force e to defend themselves from ICE at this point since they have no reason to believe that their rights or due process will be respected and it may be their life on the line.
Respectfully, though, I think you’re wrong to paint with such a broad brush. Life can be easier to deal with in such stark black and white terms but it’s never that simple.
That's a lot of words for not a lot of results. Yes, I am in fact saying that by simple fact of working for ICE, you are a bad person, and I hate you.
One of the defining major differences between ICE goons and the MD guy they snatched off the street, as well as everyone else they've deported without due process, is that ICE is currently an arm of the government. They are inherently an extension of the current power structure, and by following these orders to randomly and wantonly deport people without notice or process, they are enabling it. Trying to come at this with the stance of "it's not that simple, guys! Believe me!" is disingenuous at best, and sympathetic at worst.
Moreover, I have seen zero news about ICE officials stepping down or getting fired in disgrace for all this bullshit. Considering that, they are either wholly and happily complicit, or completely apathetic to the whole thing. Neither is good.
Are all Nazis bad people, or are there reasonable Nazis we should give the benefit of the doubt to?
* without due process.
Remember folks, if they'll do it to the most vulnerable, they'll do it to the rest of us just ass soon as they feel its safe to do so. it is inevitable.
And for the idiots thinking we're not in Nazis America... Plenty of germans said the same sort of things with Hitler's take over in the early 1930's.
claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico.
Unless the citizen was dumb enough to say such a thing, not impossible, this was a straight up lie and the officer should be in jail for submitting a false report.
They probably asked him something like "Did you use an official checkpoint to get into the US from Mexico?" And he said "No" because he didn't enter at all, but they interpreted it as he crossed illegally.
Naw
Fascist don't need your help, especially if you just have conjecture on your side.
I think his point was that they worded the question to make reasonable answers possible to be interpreted wrong to their benefit. In other words, they likely were trained to asked trap questions.
Even so, the guy said he told everyone he was a citizen. If someone asks me if I'm here on a visa and I respond "no" and then they arrest me and I'm like "I'm a citizen" you can't then act like they were using trick questions for plausible deniability. The second I say I'm a citizen that goes out the window regardless of what I was asked. If the guy answered every question with "I'm a citizen and (answer)" I don't think the result would be any different, so allowing them to hide behind "trick questions" obscures the fact that they are lying to get POC rounded up. They are lying and they don't need "trick questions" because they don't care what your answer is. You could answer the trick question "correctly" and still be rounded up. Anything suggesting that the fault lies in anything but the institution and its officers is a distraction imho. So I feel like "trick question" is a deflection/distraction and I have not read anything to even suggest that's the case. It seems like they 1) didn't believe him and 2) lied to cover it up. I have not read anything that suggests the citizen in question answered a question that may have been suspicious but I have read that he was not believed.
And even if the kids did say this thing, it would in no way prejudice his absolute right to remain in the country. Even if he did cross the border illegally without presenting at a port of entry, he would still have the right to enter and remain.
Official claimed Jose Hermosillo, who was visiting Arizona, was ‘without the proper immigration documents’
