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That's right! It goes in the square hole. (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Every time someone vouches for ai to make “art” all i hear is “AI sets you free.” Not good, indeed very odd stuff.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

That's not the only meme it's referencing, OP.

DRRR DRRR

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is far side for millennials and i like it lol

Edit: Oh god it's AI trash. Sad

Report it and hopefully they'll take it down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How can you even tell?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's bland and the shapes aren't all equal squares from some direction. Some of them are rectangles from their 'square' direction.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In this case it's easy: There's multiple places where the cross-hatching doesn't make sense stroke-wise. The stippling is weird and overdone, can you imagine a human moving their pen like that? Why spend like 99% of the work on what's, thematically, negative space? ...that's because the AI has trouble understanding that cross-hatching is lines, and that dithering isn't stippling, it confuses an art style with scans of photographs printed in newspapers.

A human also wouldn't have gotten the shape of the arch and even more so pyramid wrong.

GTFO here with "soulless" that's the AI critique equivalent of "I can tell by the pixels". Of course this shit doesn't have soul it's, thematically, a fucking technical drawing. Sibs be saying "Plato was an AI, here, his drawing of the solids, they lack soul". You ever seen a dodecahedron with soul?

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not so "soulless" if you initially found it funny... 😼

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It steals the art of real artists to generate its images.

So yeah it steals and projects their soul too.

It's gross and its creator should have to pay every artist it stole content from to train their bot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Piracy isn't stealing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Stealing from artists and not corporations is stealing.

Also trying to pass off other people's art as your own is not piracy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

EDIT: Never mind. Upon reviewing your post history and modlog, I've noticed a lot of "pick up a pencil"-esque statements that at best, don't really contribute to the conversation and at worst, are inflammatory. While I initially posted assuming good faith, I've concluded that the conversation is unlikely to remain productive, and thus I've blocked you. Take care.

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Alright, I'll make my point seriously.

No, I do not generally agree that AI-generated images are "theft". GiovanH's blog post explains it better than I could - please go read it when you find the time. But a tl;dr is that models aren't simple collage machines - they actually pick up concepts from the images they're trained on, and demonstrate an ability to combine them to output novel ones - not exactly, but pretty similar to how concepts are combined in manually-made art. It's also mathematically impossible for image diffusion models to directly contain their training imagery, due to their small size (SDXL models, for instance, are around 6.5 GB while being trained on billions of images). Of course, there is a small chance of overfitting happening, which the post gets into more detail about.

Also, I don't believe it's meaningful to distinguish whether something has "soul", based on its medium. People can't agree on what a "soul" is, or if it even exists. What can actually be quantified is whether AI art invokes reactions in people - which it most definitely does, whether you find the comics funny, are repulsed by their mediums, or simply shrug at them and move on. Besides, it was a human who prompted to generate the image in the first place.

AI is a new technology, and it's totally OK to be worried about its impact on society. However, I'd say the best way to go about it is to clearly state each other's opinions and skip the buzzwords and assumptions. If you're willing to reply back, feel free, even if you find yourself disagreeing most of the time! As long as we can keep this civil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If we take away the illegal stolen training data I don't have an issue with ML programs.

You don't get to pass other people's work off as your own. No matter how many layers of obfiscation you pump it though.

Your edgy reply meant to arrogantly dismiss the real work of talented people deserves to get ratiod. No amount of whining at me will change you being in the wrong either. Theft is theft.

I'm sorry you've spent so much time contorting your mind to accept theft from artists.

I hope you can grow up and be a better person one day.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm not an anti-AI absolutist, but for environmental reasons we should significantly cut down on the use of AI, especially for unnecessary things such as memes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My GPU generates stuff in seconds that would take hours to make, once the model is trained it's pretty much no energy to use it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Okay fair enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean if people use a self-hosted model on their own GPU that's really their prerogative how they choose to use their GPU and the energy it uses.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Totally disagree in free unnecessary short loves things is the most justified if anything. Would you be more hour editing a meme that may or may have not any traction that what it will probably live on the internet? Doesn't make much sense.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Bro, try editing this comment into something coherent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

How and why are you spending more than an hour editing a meme?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

doesn't make much sense

Neither does this comment. Did you have it generated by AI?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago

[+] [email protected] -7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ehhh I don't like AI but high quality shitposts are like the best use of AI imo. I guess it depends on the effort

Like for example this unironically goes hard: https://youtu.be/B05KyAyAa4k

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean it's nice to have high quality shit posts but AI is still the electronic equivalent of coal rolling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean I agree with you if we're talking about openAI, but not so much if we're talking about lower end models meant to be self-hosted. In that case it's not really much different from putting people down for gaming or other GPU heavy operations, and at that point we're just fully leaning into the carbon footprint propaganda.

I hope you aren't going to argue how other people should be allowed to use their own GPUs, that would be very ironic considering your name, @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

high quality

Shit post

I believe that is an oxymoron.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's already been discussed on environmental impact in another comment, but even beyond that, AI does not mean slop. Sure, the majority is low quality slop, but legitimate use of AI is possible. It's a tool at the end of the day, and imo fully usable within reason. People just really like shitting on AI because they think all of it is slop.

Take for example the parody music video I sent. For a normal person, getting the budget to create that with real voice actors would probably be around the thousands/tens of thousands. The other alternatives would be voice stitching, which ends up being a distinct style (think tf2 voice chops) or hiring cheap voice actors who will 99% not be able to replicate a character's voice like that. In short, a creation simply only possible by AI.

Another one would be the scooby doo ai voice incident. The creator was a normal student, and instead of using text2speech or subtitles, used AI to at least make his animation sound similar to the characters. He still put in effort, it was a good animation, but he was bullied by the original voice actor for the horrible practice of .... being too broke to afford an actual voice actor.

AI does not have to be so black and white. I get the sentiment around hating AI, hell I vehemently hate corporations trying to stuff ai in everything, but not all usage must be considered bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How? I don't get it. I'm not gonna go learn how to draw well just so I can shitpost. I'm not taking an artists job by using GenAI to make a picture of a Cat driving a moped. Using GenAI is not power intensive only training GenAI is and people using or not using it for trash memes isnt going to change if they chose to train another AI model.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m not gonna go learn how to draw well just so I can shitpost.

Who said you need to draw well to shitpost??

^ still better than AI

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's Way worse. I don't mean just in drawing quality, but is so poorly made that I don't. Think I'd get it. The square. Does not look like a hole,

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

FUCK YEAH BROTHER AROOOOO

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