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I can name several historic US riots which were not justified.
The Tulsa Massacre of 1921.
The series of riots occurring after the removal of confederate statues in the last decade.
When men marched with torches and firearms after the inauguration of Barack Obama.
During the BLM movement a white couple was charged with Arson of a restaurant as they were trying to delegitimize peaceful protests.
Meanwhile the most successful social movements were not accomplished with violence at all. Women suffrage, equal rights for protected classes, gay marriage, etc. Some movements had a mixture of peace and violence, such as rights to unionize, but far more effective than riots were the affected workers like miners and industrial manufacturers striking.
This is so historically inaccurate I don’t even know where to begin with it.
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Stonewall, the catalyst for LGBT rights, was a brick throwing riot, you could not be more wrong here.
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You think the sufragette movement was free from violence?
You think gay rights were achieved without violence?
Read a book!
IMO without Malcolm X and the Black Panthers I don't think folks would have listened as much to MLK Jr. either.
On top of that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign
January 6th.
Yeah but low hanging fruit, half of Americans don't even seem to believe it happened and some think it was justified.
It was secretly Antifa but also wholely justified but also the media is lying to you about it but also I was there and it was Based AF.
I imagine there's a lot of overlap between how those who feel that about 1/6 feel about the riots you listed.
I hope so but I think it's still too early to say history views it negatively. In at least a few years time I'm sure we'll look back and agree that it was bad, but it's a current political issue as of now.
riots are not a valid form of protest unless all peaceful means have failed, and then they are far less effective than other non-peaceful methods. riots are what you do when you are too stupid to find a solution.
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Why does this look like it's been photocopied more times than my geography teachers lesson plan?
Looks like someone's been praxising.
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also the tankies who made them happen.
Tankies are just another flavor of BootLickers who bend over bare ass for Authorities.
The ends justify the means. Not a moral statement on 'doing whatever it takes' - it is meaningless to win when the victors are no different from the victims.
Rather, an observation on the nature of what it is to be justified or vilified.
The ones at the end decide. When it is happening, it is never justified. It is never tolerated. It is vilified. It is criminal. The means are always painted as extremes.
Something new can only ever be justified when you reach the end. Until then, it - literally - is radical.
To the present, you're just a person stirring up trouble. Could be good, could be bad, but either way, it's trouble.
You can only ever be a hero to history.
"Why Civil Resistance Works" is a good book about why civil disobedience is the most effective means of resisting a regime. It's not an easy read, but it's still great info.
So you're saying someone should do it?
I don't mind riots, so long as it's targeted in some way, and not just the random breaking down of privately owned small businesses (which hurts no-one at the top).
Riots are grenades. You don't get to precisely target what gets broken and what doesn't.
A certain percentage of any group doesn't give a fuck about the movement and just likes being assholes.
Either rioters police their own or they will be judged as equal to the worst of them, because that's all people will be shown on TV.
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Until now, whenever I point out that any and all societies are fundamentals based on the capacity of violence, people got uncomfortable and/or denied it.
Sweeties, people got murdered so that you could have a democracy* because that gives the power to the people** as they have the most capacity of violence, so they need to be appeased.
Sidenote: the eu, the UN and so on are also existing to appease enough of us to reduce violence as it is a shared interest.
I didn't know that this is the perfect way to enjoy memes. Posted to Twitter, screenshotted, discussed further in Tumblr, printed out, faxed, scanned, and then posted to Lemmy.
Just use a fax to email service FFS
Well that can't be right because I read on here that liberals are the worst.