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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They always refused to reimburse the cost of Windows licences before this even if it was illegal in the country you lived in. I'm very surprised.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Fedora is better than Ubuntu?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

I'm sure there are opinions both ways. I think the reason Fedora is the headline is because it is the more recent addition. Lenovo has had an Ubuntu option on some machines for a few years now. Fedora is a fairly recent addition.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

you save 200$ by not having window$ in it?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

It’s -$140 in my area. Additionally, the 2 other models I picked first didn’t have that option at all.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

$211?!

Surely that can't be US dollars, that'd be wild. The 24-hour clock also has me thinking this isn't the US.

Looking at the UK site, I'd 100% go for "No Operating System", then install Fedora Workstation anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It's removing 211 dollars from the price

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Windows 11 home costs more than $200???

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Oh thank you. I didn't see the tiny -.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

That's why I bought my last two laptops from Dell.. In my country they offer a Linux version of their machines.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The year of the Linux desktop is upon us?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 143 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Let's see who considers the Linux options when they see they can get the same machine for 200 bucks cheaper. I hope other brands start considering doing this too.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

It's more probable people buying cheaper and then installing Windows afterwards - a lot more probable than starting their tech life from scratch.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People who are tech savy maybe. Most consumers have no clue how to install windows (or any OS) with an iso though.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

starting their tech life from scratch

Lol that's an exaggeration

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Sure, and they'll be pirating it, a net benefit if it reduces Microsoft's monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, get ISO from Microsoft's website (don't even need to sail for that part) then activate it using a super easy to find tool...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Iex(iwr get.activated.win)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

Not only that. The software is so much better.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This should be standard in stores. If people could save that much, they wouldn’t choose Windows haha

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Which is why it's never going to happen. Old people like me will remember the first EEE PC from Asus, the original netbook. Netbooks were small cheap laptops that were popular before smartphones were around. It ran Linux and it worked pretty well. Then Microsoft came out with a special version of Windows XP which could run on netbooks and they gave it away for free, just to prevent Linux from getting popular on consumer devices. So they're going to pull something like that again. And Lenovo know this, of course. This is likely just a negotiating tactic to get concessions from MS on licensing fees.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Think you hit the nail on the head. God I hate how capitalism was applied during the induction of computers and the Internet. It ruined so much trying to force "scarcity" driven supply/demand on a technology that fundamentally removed the supply problem. At least in terms of software.

Software never should have been allowed to be restricted by past limitations only to ensure profits could be made.

But we force it on it. Only for the benefits of companies that serve to prevent innovation more than they produce it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One category "no OS", with also at least 211€ off, would be great. Don't need nothing on my device when I install Arch from scratch anyway. Or nc -lp 42069 > /dev/main/root and cat /dev/sda3 | nc 192.168.178.x -p 42069, recreate /dev/main/swap and reinstall /dev/main/boot. Or just nc -lp 42069 > /dev/nvme0n1 and cat /dev/nvme0n1 | nf 192.168.178.x -p 42069

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As available in France, tho only for €60 less.
And you pay €30 for fedora (?)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure they've been doing that for a long time. The other more business focused OEMs too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Indeed but it's rarely available to the general public. They don't mind selling 2000 units to a business with dedicated IT support. They (used to) totally draw the line at providing individual support to individual customers.

In my experience (France), buy it while you can because it pops from time to time & disappears without warning.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Woah! Never seen this in France, ever. You can even get it os-free!

The difference in pricing is concerning tho.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Wait, "operating system" in French is "système d'exploitation"? That's particularly funny next to Windows 11 offers.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“Système d’exploitation” feels like an apt description of Windows 11 😆

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How much for a society without an exploitation system?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Priceless, but out of stock.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought they'd done this for years (on certain Thinkpads anyway)? Still I'd rather install my own than trust Lenovo to install it for me.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh nice, and down $200? Yes please

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They'd have to discount at least twice that amount for me to get the Ubuntu install, though.

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[–] [email protected] 201 points 1 month ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

The German store doesn't offer Fedora, but also gives 60 Euro off if you order no OS. I tried X1 Gen 10 and 13.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Wait, I had to do a double take. I thought they were charging $200 extra for Fedora and Ubuntu. They could consider sending some money to those distros for development which would still be cheaper than buying windows.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Aint no way people pay 211$ for that adware, spyware piece of shit operating system. Thats wild.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When https://massgrave.dev/ exists it's even worse.

I think this tax on tech illiterate people is getting too high.

Should I start selling USB drives for $5? I don't wanna encourage Windows. But I feel bad for the normies. $211 is insane.

MS literally allows massgrav on GitHub. They have for years. They do not give a fuck.

Paying for windows at this point is a normie tax. And it's gotten too damn high!

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Some time ago i checked some polish stores to compare W11 vs Linux / no OS prices and i found out that the difference isn't flat and it's actually about ~10% of product price (so the more expensive the notebook is - the higher the price of W11 is)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

That's absolutely fucked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

When I was getting my PC they tried to upsell me for a 250€ windows license even if I insisted I didn't need one x3

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't wait to see how they manage to fill fedora with bloatware too

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

You'd still be able to just reinstall Linux, and save money in the process. And simply having the option available will probably help get Linux to some users that aren't overly tech savvy

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