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A chart titled "What Kind of Data Do AI Chatbots Collect?" lists and compares seven AI chatbots—Gemini, Claude, CoPilot, Deepseek, ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Grok—based on the types and number of data points they collect as of February 2025. The categories of data include: Contact Info, Location, Contacts, User Content, History, Identifiers, Diagnostics, Usage Data, Purchases, Other Data.

  • Gemini: Collects all 10 data types; highest total at 22 data points
  • Claude: Collects 7 types; 13 data points
  • CoPilot: Collects 7 types; 12 data points
  • Deepseek: Collects 6 types; 11 data points
  • ChatGPT: Collects 6 types; 10 data points
  • Perplexity: Collects 6 types; 10 data points
  • Grok: Collects 4 types; 7 data points
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow, it’s a whole new level of f*cked up when Zuck collects more data than the Winnie the Pooh (DeepSeek). 😳

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The idea that US apps are somehow better than Chinese apps when it comes to collecting and selling user data is complete utter propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Don't use either. Until Trump, I still considered CCP spyware more dangerous because they would be collecting info that could be used to blackmail US politicians and businesses. Now, it's a coin flip. In either case, use EU or FOSS apps whenever possible.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Gemini: "Other Data"

Like, what's fucking left!?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

anyone whos competent in the matter: what about the french competition chat.mistral.ai

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

+1 for Mistral, they were the first (or one of the first) Apache open source licensed models. I run Mistral-7B and variant fine tunes locally, and they've always been really high quality overall. Mistral-Medium packed a punch (mid-size obviously) but it definitely competes with the big ones at least.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Almost none of this data is possible to collect when using Tor Browser

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nope, these services almost always require user login, eventually tied to cell number (ie non disposable) and associate user content and other data points with account. Nonetheless user prompts are always collected. How they're used is a good question.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Use a third party API. Pay with monero.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes it is possible to create disposable-isque api keys for different uses. The monetary cost is the cost of privacy and of not having hardware to run things locally.

If you have reliable privacy friendly api vendor suggestions then do share. While I do not need such services now, it can a good future reference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I think I only used chatgpt once to play around, and it was one of those. I dont remember the name, sorry

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Anyone has these data from Mistral, HuggingChat and MetaAI ? Would be nice to add them too

Edit : Leo from brave would be great to compare too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Am I missing something? What do the numbers mean in relation to the type? Sub types?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's labeled "Unique data points". See the number 2 - Usage Data for Gemini, there's an arrow with label there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Thank you I totally missed that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

perhaps it's the limit imof each data type?!

gemini harvests only your first four cobtacts, your last two locations, and so on.

how does one defeat that? have fewer than four friends and don't go out!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Ask people for their phone number to add to your contacts and give them your phone for a day

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Note this is if you use their apps. Not the api. Not through another app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not that we have any real info about who collects/uses what when you use the API

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah we do, they list it in privacy policies. Many of these they can't really collect even if they wanted to

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most of my workforce strangely enough. They claim it’s the best for them in terms of mathematics, but I can’t find that to be a good reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Isn't deepseek better for that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

In my experience it depends on the math. Every model seems to have different strengths based on a wide berth of prompts and information.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

That’s what I’m saying!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Fascists. Why?

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