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When 'Yes, Prime Minister' had a scene about salami tactics, it was referring to the Russians invading West Berlin.
It feels far more relevant to Nazi America today than the actual Russian invasion of Ukraine.
What parody are we living in?
And also, the American people don't actually have a button to protect themselves from the government
Oh. Okay. THIS is the crisis moment. Sure.
Surely this time people will all get together and walk down to DC and drag his orange ass out onto the lawn. Surely.
Will things ever go back to normal?
No.
I'm speaking as a fairly moderate, average American who's been around almost a half century.
I am telling you and anyone who reads this, that this is NOT going back to normal. This is going to get worse. I promise you, you all need to understand this thing I'm about to shout here:
NOBODY IS COMING.
If we want to fix this, we have to do it ourselves. And I have very little allusion that liberal, comfy America and the military is going to dream of upsetting their careful balance and privilege, and they will keep their head down and keep working even as their rights are stripped away and nobody can afford food or water anymore without realizing they're boiled toads.
Buy beans and rice. Save money. Quit expensive habits and get healthy. Update your passport and put some cash and gold aside in case you need to leave and the banks won't give you money. Maintain contact with people outside the USA in case you need contacts somewhere. I am dead-fucking-serious.
Societies change, as often for the worse as they do for the better. It also depends what you consider "normal". For many boomers growing up in the 50's and 60's this is fairly normal. We've used to shoot students protesting an actual invasion against Vietnam.
And then there are still a lot of immigrants here who fled really bad dictatorial shit holes. They look at headlines going "ICE deported 300 people this week" and go "It's not even a thousand and they were not gunned down in the streets and their families exterminated, what are you complaining about?". Perspective.
Fight it however you can, or don't.
No. "Normal" for the US was the result of you being the only major industrial power that wasn't flattened during World War II. You maintained your power since then by using the leverage you'd acquired during the postwar years. Now that that leverage is gone, it's staying gone, since the rest of the world has rebuilt itself.
No. Even if he's gone, the world is irrevocably changed. We're all going together on this dark ride. The sooner people realize that, the better. Then maybe something can be done.
Your comment reads as "no, but yes if we fix it" to me. It's that what you were trying to convey? If not, could you explain a bit please?
By "maybe something can be done," I just mean something to stabilize us. Something to give us a new normal. But, there's no going back to where we were at in 2024. The US as a whole is finished and something else will take its place
This is the new normal
LOL the Orange Turd crossed the line a long time ago when he tried to overthrow the government with his MAGAt army.
He was openly threathening US people, or "dissidents". So he is basically saying in between lines, that if you rise against him, he'll do very crazy things. This makes me hope for a Quick removal of the rot.
people still absolutely SHOCKED by fascists doing fascism
WE NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THEY'RE HYPOCRITES ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT WILL SAVE US!
In a true democracy that would be way beyond the red line, but in USA today, this is just another Monday.
You're going to have to be more specific.....
They aren't talking about him tripping over that tie, so it's a different red line
Oh come on! More specific? It's not that hard. How many red lines did he cross today?
"Swirly thing alert!"
The American people's passiveness with regard to "red lines" is about on par with Putin's overuse of the term. I expect a bit of whining online for 24-48 hours but no meaningful actions.
Mass organizing in the US is logistically difficult, and all our media is owned by people who want to see the protests fail so the coverage isn't amazing. But we have millions of people protesting right now and the numbers have been growing fast. Protesters have been under threat of arrest and possible death for ages, and they're opening it up to "get black bagged and sent to tortureville forever". We have so much working against us even getting resistance off the ground and yeah we aren't amazing at it, there's a good chance we can't pull it off, but we're trying
Would you rather people stop dissenting online?
If dissenting online makes them feel like they are doing enough to not act IRL, yes.
Revolutions don't just spontaneously materialize from nothing, they grow from riots, that grow from peaceful protests, that grow from people complaining to each other in social settings. None of the early steps are sufficient, but they are the type of things that are necessary for the end result. There is no world where less dissenting online leads to more direct action.
revolutions only come from suffering.
People need to suffer to the point they are willing to potentially lose it all, people have families, they have friends, they have careers and jobs, people need to physically care first.
For some reason nobody understands this today.
People dissented online a lot in Russia ten years ago
And that grew into protests and riots, so... what's your point?
Hey guys, guess what. Authoritarianism isn't trivial to beat. All the other authoritarian states in the world aren't just full of lazy people who didn't use the one simple trick. Turns out both propaganda works and a lot of people are actually scared of being murdered or sent to a gulag.
But again, you get none of that if you try to skip the first steps.
I feel like that's unlikely and that a lot of the people dissenting online are the same ones who are protesting, calling their lawmakers, etc.
Also, it's not like any of the IRL stuff has been effective yet anyway. Online dissent probably gets seen by more eyeballs than any one protest sign or IRL action that doesn't end up with the person doing it being arrested or killed (and thus unable to continue resisting this administration), so if it really is an either/or situation I think online dissent is more effective than IRL peaceful protest or writing yet another letter to my lawmakers.
That all said, I really don't think it is an either/or situation, so I think we can and should be encouraging all the kinds of dissent.
No.
When he deports a citizen who is immediately killed in prison, that's a red line.
And even then only if he's white, and Christian enough.
These are red lines of unacceptable behavior and policy, not the lines marking when Americans will actually pay attention. And even if what you describe were to happen, all the Trump supporters would just come up with excuses, while others would protest through the usual channels and be ignored.
These are red lines of unacceptable behavior and policy
Oh man, you almost had me there, good one!
Sounds like something the Onion would have put out in their heyday, you know, before the utter collapse of reality.
I don't think that would do mit either. Not even if it's a pregnant woman.
It will be deflected, as the prisons fault, and Trump will continue to send pregnant women without a second thought.
It's all boiling a frog. If he did that day one it would be over the line and cause response. Each step along the way that is eventually accepted makes the next step easier, which enables the one after that and so forth. They deported "criminals" not legally in the country with little protest, they faced little pushback when it turned out they weren't criminals, so they then moved on to those who are here legally. And as this is becoming mundane they're laying the groundwork for it to be citizens.
The only line they have is what the people will tolerate, and they're expanding that day by day.