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196 Stands with Palestine, but those of you in the US should still vote in the general election. (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I've been seeing a lot of anti-voting sentiment going around. Can't believe I have to say this, but you need to vote. Not only is there more to the election than just the president. (State policy, Senate, house), but not voting is not an act of protest. C'mon guys

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I stand with Palestine, and I'll be voting in the US. Yes, I'm voting for Biden as the lesser of two evils, but I'm also voting for a whole lot of other really good people who are going up against some truly evil people. I've got people attacking my schools and libraries at the local level. Not voting to spite Biden will hurt my town a whole lot more than it would hurt Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And I don't think I should have to remind y'all that while neither candidate has a good outlook on Palestine... at least one won't end democracy in the US.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Dunno, looks like there's more than 2 candidates to me

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No there really isn't, not the way US politics work.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Doing anything other than voting for Biden is essentially a vote for Trump.

[+] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago

Did you actually think before posting this?

"Not eating pie this weekend is eating pie next weekend!"

"Might as well rear end someone. Not doing it now means you're going to do it later."

"Why lose weight? Not dying earlier means you're just going to die later."

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is such a garbage fucking take. A vote for Biden is a vote to delay fascism for 4 years, which we can use to fight it more effectively. You vote to buy time, and you use that time to fight. There's not much point in voting if we don't fight, but if you don't vote fighting will get a lot harder and things will get worse. Go read a book and touch some grass.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Not if you vote democrats though. 2016 should have been a wakeup call, but wasn't to the party elites. Then 2020 should have been a wake up call but wasn't. Now it is 2024 and they are still not waking up.

As long as they are not punished vor being neoliberal far right economists with an imperial war hawk approach to foreign policy nothing will change.

Everyone should vote for a third party imo. If the Dems suddenly need to compete with an actually progressive party, they would need to bring actual progressive politics. Right now they are just becoming more and more like what the republicans used to be, just with some LGBT rights, but only like if it isn't inconvenient.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Ah so you want to give the country to Trump and turn it into a dictatorship, so you don't get to vote ever again?

That's some really "SMART" math you have!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Everyone should vote for a third party imo.

How to split the party vote and hand Trump the presidency in one easy step.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Your alternative is the Dems continueing to fuck over the poor people in and outside the US and the Republicans to sucessfully blame it on the libs, but doing the same, fueling an ever far right extreme spiral.

In the end i guess voters get what they deserve for never demanding actual positive change from the party that proclaims for itself to be progressive.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I agree that the democratic party is a shit show. I hate it too. But if the goal is progress, handing Trump the presidency is wrong move.

The correct move is to begrudgingly vote Biden in and work on election reform at a local level. In no way am I suggesting sit around doing nothing and letting the status quo persist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

with some LGBT rights, but only like if it isn't inconvenient

So I intend to vote, but this is important for everyone to understand. The democrats are NOT allies. They are only supportive insofar as we are useful producers and consumers.

Look to Palestine and the Mexican border for examples of how well they'll stand up for us when we become unuseful or unpopular.

We need a system change including the entire removal of our "dEmOcRaCy" -- anyone who defends our system as any kind of equitable system is either a lying fascist or a fool -- no exceptions

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is objectively correct and based.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

The sentiments in this thread (by large) are objectively correct and based as well. I am impressed with you, 196

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

In the UK you can spoil your ballot if you're unhappy with the options and is a recorded vote. Perhaps there's something like that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Except we have an actual self proclaimed dictator, trying to gain power. These fucking "progressives" are helping him.

As someone with a modicum of common sense, it boggles my mind that these spoiled children think helping Trump seize power is a good idea for anyone including themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I live in maryland so my ballot doesn't matter much regardless for the presidential election. If Biden loses maryland he loses. And I won't be voting for him. The worst thing missing my vote will do for him is reducing his popular vote. Since that's mostly a talking point, good.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not a good tool if one party is likely, but not guaranteed, to win without your vote, but is much worse than the other. You should only spoil your ballot if your constituency is has a large enough majority that your vote won't matter at all, or none of the parties are less bad than the others.

If you're voting on the single issue of Palestine in the US presidential elections (not the primaries), then no state has a large enough majority to justify as spoiled ballots, and one party wants to support a genocide while the other wants to discourage it (even if they're doing a crap job of it), so there is a least bad option to vote for.

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