Non consensual oral contact? Like either party?
Someone kissing you on the cheek without your consent, is that now part of the definition?
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A state had to update their rape laws because an ex-President literally got away with rape (criminally).
Let's just think about that for a minute.
They didn’t already? Jeez. Everywhere needs that definition
The current law defines rape as vaginal penetration by a penis. The new law broadens the definition to include nonconsensual anal, oral, and vaginal sexual contact.
Would it be so hard to include penile in there as well.
The OP isn't great. The actual law is fairly clear that men are included.
This is copied from a reply I made further down, about the actual law:
Important to also not this:
- (a) "Oral sexual [~~conduct~~] contact " means conduct between persons consisting of contact between the mouth and the penis, the mouth and the anus, or the mouth and the vulva or vagina.
It does include raping a man orally explicitly in this. No hand stuff is included for anyone. The OP had poor wording, but the law seems fine. Maybe it should be expanded to using hands and other things to rape as well, but it doesn't exclude men. The way the law is written, it isn't rape to penetrate anyone with a dildo, for example. Also, a woman can't rape a woman except for orally in this law.
It has some oversight, but the oversight is not men, it's just certain methods.
Uhh so where’s the part about a vagina going over a penis?
§2.1 Vaginal Sexual Contact. It's contact between a penis and vagina or vulva. There's no directionality to it. It's only about consent that defines who raped whom. If a woman forces contact between a penis and her vagina or vulva, she raped him with vaginal sexual contact.
It did, as the law was simply broadened to include more information ... not wiped clean to only have the new information.
Their point is that the broadened law does not appear to clearly and obviously cover men being raped by women.
For instance, is it rape under this new law for a woman to forcibly use her hand to jerk off a man without his consent? If not, then shouldn't it be?
Shouldn't the law state that forcible and nonconsensual contact with a penis is a crime?
No. But it is also not rape under this law for a man to forcibly use his hand to jerk off a woman.
If a woman makes non consensual contact with a mans penis using her vagina, mouth, or anus, that is rape under this law.
Perhaps the law should cover it. But the absense of hand-genital contact in the law is gender neutral.
But it is also not rape under this law for a man to forcibly use his hand to jerk off a woman.
From the top comment of this thread:
The new law broadens the definition to include nonconsensual anal, oral, and vaginal sexual contact.
From the bill (track changes removed):
"Vaginal sexual contact" means conduct between persons consisting of contact between the penis and the vagina or vulva
Important to also not this:
- (a) "Oral sexual [~~conduct~~] contact " means conduct between persons consisting of contact between the mouth and the penis, the mouth and the anus, or the mouth and the vulva or vagina.
It does include raping a man orally explicitly in this. No hand stuff is included for anyone. The OP had poor wording, but the law seems fine. Maybe it should be expanded to using hands and other things to rape as well, but it doesn't exclude men. The way the law is written, it isn't rape to penetrate anyone with a dildo, for example. Also, a woman can't rape a woman except for orally in this law.
It has some oversight, but the oversight is not men, it's just certain methods.
Lol they bent the meaning of words to avoid making rape rape
Of course they did
Do you have a copy of the new law to prove it doesn't say anything about non-consensual contact?
Laws tend to be documented quite well. https://legiscan.com/NY/text/S08008/2023
Appreciate that. Thanks.
Penile penetration?
Docking and urethrae insertion are a thing, but penetration is clearly not the sole definer because this change is about sexual contact.
Ah. I see what you're saying.
No, but men can't be victims of such things anyway, didn't you know? ^/s
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