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Democrats trounced Trump with their Musk-focused playbook in Wisconsin (www.politico.com)
submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Democrats just won their biggest electoral victory of the second Trump era. And Elon Musk lost big.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know that Americans are starved for good news, but Democrats didn't "trounce" anybody. They kept a majority they already had, which is nice but not impressive. This isn't the start of a glorious counterattack against the forces of reaction.

Edit: To explain a little what I mean, think of the amount of information you get from the event that a fair die rolls a number less than 5 once. Even if something good happened because of that result, it's still nothing to be surprised at. I'm saying that this election victory is like rolling a die and getting a number less than 5; it tells you nothing about the die. For all you know it's still a fair die—rather than, say, a die that's more likely to output a one than a six.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least in my area of Wisconsin all but one of the items on my ballot didn’t go the way I hoped it would. And that was the state constitution amendment which was deliberately written to manipulate voters. Jill Underly held her office as state superintendent of public instruction, the school referendum passed and Susan Crawford won a vacant supreme court seat. So while not wins all the way down they are very important regardless

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Do you mean that only one didn't go the way you'd hoped it would? Either way I'm not saying these wins aren't important, but rather that they're not unexpected. It doesn't give us any new information (such as "Conservatives are starting to sour on Trump's agenda"), but is rather well within the realm of expectations in the same way tossing a coin and getting heads once doesn't tell you much about the coin.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But it is a refute to the idea that there is a "voter mandate" for Trump. This was a state wide election that just a few months ago voted for Trump. It also isn't as simple as the democrats keeping their seat. The incumbent left, so the seat was vacant. Not a "trouncing," but you're downplaying it too much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean Wisconsin voted for Trump, but it leans blue for other offices no? The fact that they voted for Trump in November is more an indictment of the DNC than anything to do with Wisconsin itself. That aside what I'm trying to say is that this result doesn't tell us anything new; it's nice but like I said isn't the result of conservatives turning on Trump. Democrats keeping that seat was expected, likely even.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's really just more proof that the election was rigged, like Trump confessed to on air.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unless I see some hard evidence, this take just seems like liberal qanon BS.

Trump had a lot of social media help (Elon, benzos, Zuckerberg) and money to help him win the election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

He literally said, "They rigged the election and now I'm president again."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with you, but I do need to point out that for years Republicans have been screaming election interference just so when it happens against Democrats, it looks petty and not serious. I haven't dove down the rabbit hole, but it does sound like there has been evidence suggesting maleficence.

It's kind of a catch 22... In order to investigate potential evidence of election interference, you have to first put on the tin foil hat and believe that it was possible and worth investigating in the first place, which in itself aligns with "qanon BS".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's pretty naive to think that the party of, "every accusation is a confession," who screamed about election fraud for 4 years didn't commit election fraud.

Musk lotteries, bullet ballots being orders of magnitude higher than previous years only in swing states, bomb threats in blue areas and judges not extending voting times to accommodate, Trump saying Musk was going to help him out and voting machines using Starlink internet, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wisconsin as a whole does tend to lean blue. The margins aren't large though. Last mid term Evers (D) won for governor but the same election Johnson (R) won for senate. The Democrat opposition for that election was Barnes, who was definitely progressive leaning, but ran a terrible campaign that the DNC didn't help until it was too late. We are still a swing state.

isn't the result of conservatives turning on Trump

Nobody is saying it is. It's that group of swing voters that have immediately changed from liking Trump to rejecting Elon and Trump. You'll never turn his cult base, but you also don't have to.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nobody is saying it is. It's that group of swing voters that have immediately changed from liking Trump to rejecting Elon and Trump.

I'm trying to say that rather than that being the case Democrats were just more successful in their campaign and therefore managed to push the result in their favor. As you said Wisconsin is a blue-leaning swing state, so Democrats winning a few offices doesn't indicate much in terms of nationwide voter sentiment. If you correct for Trump outperforming other conservatives in your calculations this is the likely result.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

You're still underplaying what happened.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The entire state shifted blue. Crawford won by 10%. If you look at this link at the bottom, https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2025/wisconsin/?r=50888 you can select different categories and you will see that the entire voting from 2024 to this election people shifted towards blue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Hmm... I see. Yeah that makes sense.