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[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Let's install Windows 10 for protest

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[–] waigl@lemmy.world 93 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Why the fuck is a Microsoft account so important to Windows that running it without one is considered a "loophole"?

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 month ago

My guess is that's it's easier to neatly package your data up for when they go to sell it.

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[–] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This forced account shit is infuriating. I’d see students with computers that cannot get to government-provided education sites because they are forced to sign up with a Microsoft account to use their PC, which forced them to setup a child account because of their age and therefore be under a parent account, which means the child account can only use Edge and can only go to whitelisted websites, which blocks some government education sites unless the parent account allows it through which they can’t until the student goes home.

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[–] grid11@lemy.nl 60 points 1 month ago (6 children)
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[–] fork_hero@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Ah sweet vindication for getting my gaming PC and daily driver laptop on Linux

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yet another reason to not use windows 11.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The company is cracking down on the ability to install Windows 11 on older PCs that don’t support TPM 2.0

But still runs fine in a VM (where it belongs to) on Linux on a system without TPM, right?

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, your guest VM still requires TPM enabled

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Guest VM? Nested VM? Does the VM or the host system need TPM?

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The guest VM requires TPM to install Windows 11.

It depends on your hypervisor platform. Some platforms can enable vTPM (emulated TPM) without host hardware support, like KVM with swtpm.

Hyper-V can do passthrough TPM or emulate vTPM but still require the host to have hardware TPM enabled to do so.

[–] jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 month ago

Windows 11 is enshittfying a feature that let you skip making a Microsoft account

There, FTFY.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

One or all of em.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 144 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've used the unpatchable Win11 account loophole, that exploits a functionality of your pc, where you wipe your boot drive, and install NixOS on it

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[–] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is it possible to skip account creation by installing while not connected to the internet?

[–] windowsphoneguy@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

That's what they're disabling now

[–] Skipcast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nope, you need an internet connection to get past initial setup. Unless you use pro, there you can select to domain join computer instead and it'll let you create a local account

[–] kernelle@0d.gs 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You are wrong for now, it is still possible.

  • Ctrl + Shift + F3 during setup gives you access to sysprep
  • In an admin CMD you can excecute the BypassNRO.cmd script. In C:\Windows\System32\oobe\
  • I have encountered one 24H2 installation where the oobe folder was empty, but if you copy the file from another device it works just the same
  • Reboot from sysprep and you can now select "Install without internet" when selecting a WIFI

This will not work if you're already connected to a wifi. BypassNRO sets a registry flag, so it's only a matter of time till they patch it out, but it works for now.

Edit: Rufus also allows the creation of a local user when making the installation USB, skipping the entire setup process.

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ok, so setup a DC (in a VM on your linux laptop), install Win11 joined to that domain, create a local user, then leave the domain & destroy the VM...?

Or install Linux 👍🏻

[–] Skipcast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You don't have to join a domain, it just skips the Microsoft account login and goes to create a local account

[–] jasoman@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be far this command was only needed for win 11 Home. Pro did not need a command as the option is available through normal prompts windows gives you.

[–] Dlolor@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I think that option was removed even on Pro a pretty long time ago, no? At least the last couple of times I installed W11 Pro the graphical option was nowhere to be found. It used to be available easily enough that anyone could choose it if they didn't blindly click Next, then it got more and more hidden away and now I'm 99% sure you need the command unless you prep the ISO using Rufus and its function to create a local account for you. On that note, I wonder if this will affect the Rufus method too..

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[–] seven_phone@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Describing the ability to make a local account as a loophole is letting a little too much real intention slip out.

[–] jasoman@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is only for the Home version of win 11.

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[–] Freewheel@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 month ago

Just one more reason not to use Windows, As if forcing data scrapers down our throat in the guise of AI wasn't enough.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Even MORE reason not to upgrade!

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Will people just stop using windows already. I get for work but if you just waiting on that one game then fuck off it's not worth it. I gave up some of my favorite games because it wasn't worth using Windows

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For people with "that one game" there is a middle ground. Mine is Destiny 2 and they use a version of easy anticheat that refuses to run on Linux. My solution was to buy a $150 used Dell on eBay, a $180 GPU to be able to output to my 4 high-res displays, and install Debian + moonlight on it. I moved my gaming PC downstairs and a combination of wake-on-lan + sunshine means that I can game at functionally native performance, streaming from the basement. In my setup, windows only exists to play games on.

The added bonus here is now I can also stream games to my phone, or other ~thin clients~ in the house, saving me upgrade costs if I want to play something in the living room or upstairs. All you need is the bare minimum for native-framerate, native-res decoding, which you can find in just about anything made in the last 5-10 years.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago

I loved destiny 2 but I gave it up. Fuck Bungie because someone got it to work and they banned them

[–] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Can I run multi-monitor high refresh rates without the desktop slugging? Last time I seriously tried switching to Linux, this seemingly simple setup in 2024 was too much for it to handle.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, as long as you run a wayland capable DE. Like GNOME or KDE. It's still experimental in linux mint afaik. You might have a few problems if you have an NVIDIA card (no proper wayland support) or HDMI cables (limited to 144 fps because of copyright issues iirc).

[–] warm@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I have Nvidia yeah and quickly learnt that I wasn't going to get it working smoothly and went back to Windows. If I manage to get a RRP 9070XT, then I will try Linux again.

I hate the "stop using windows" comments, when it's quite impossible to have the same experience without specific hardware and setups.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

The nvidia support is getting better, but yeah they're years late compared to AMD which basically has better drivers on linux than windows.

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[–] Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

I run 2x 1440p monitors at 165hz and 144hz fine

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

I don't know about high refresh rates, but multiple 4k screens was a pain point in 2023 and it's a complete non-issue in 2025.

[–] Zanathos@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Proton is amazing though. I got Lego LotR working on my steam deck by installing some DirectX 9 dependency to fix a graphical glitch with the game. Runs like a dream.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 159 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Are they trying to kill windows on purpose?

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't know what is going on at Microsoft. I'm starting to think that they are trying to pivot to a completely different business model. In addition to this Windows 11 crap and XBox seemingly being given up on, they appear to be losing their embedded market as well. In the past, if you saw any screen in an industrial setting, there's a good chance that there was the embedded Windows version behind that screen. Lately, all the new products are moving over to Linux.

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[–] dota__2@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

companies do things like this when they feel they have the power in the business/customer relationship and there's no regulations to stop them.

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

They have done that for years, and every time there is an army of geeks and gamers who look for registry hacks or PowerShell scripts to install Windows anyway. If even those geeks do not want to spend 5 minutes looking for doc on how to install Ubuntu (which is a billion times easier to use than Windows), you can be sure Windows will never die.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't say that, more just abusing a monopoly.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 127 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The sad thing is they know the large majority of users will comply. Most people put familiarity and convenience above their own privacy and general well-being.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Games. Most of the games I play don't play well with Linux.

I keep a Linux laptop for banking that only connects via ethernet cord while I'm banking. Which is nice, I don't worry about key loggers now.

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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also, I will not be surprised if they audaciously disable Win 10 Home edition for security purposes once end of life is reached.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

They already said they are going to charge $30/year for patches. They want recurring revenue from ads in 11 or from you paying yearly for 10.

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[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Once valve drops better nvidia support into the kernel, and steamos starts coming pre-loaded on laptops and pre-built desktops it's over for their consumer division.

[–] Toes@ani.social 57 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There's nothing special about SteamOS. Linux has been available as an option from several manufacturers for years.

What we need to see is a major studio pushing for Linux like valve has been doing.

Imagine if call of duty or fortnite had a Linux promotion to have a penguin hat. That would help

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There kind of is though. I'm not here to argue it's enough to unseat windows but it is markedly different

From a technical standpoint it's just another linux distro with some nice tweaks for gaming but from a human perspective it has brand recognition, familiarity, a known company behind it. Those things do really matter for adoption. No idea if that'd be anywhere near enough, I'm not inclined to make predictions, but it does have explicit advantages over consumers hearing they can get a laptop with Ubuntu or fedora on it

[–] Toes@ani.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah I agree. I just don't wanna see more apps made exclusively for the steam deck with SteamOS and winderp. So I feel it's important to highlight it's just another Linux distro.

https://youtu.be/5KYQRk_SIB8 this is what pulled my attention to the matter.

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[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Call of duty is a Microsoft game now.

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