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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Because if they investigate him, they'd have to investigate all of them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

He's still talking about that wall he couldn't finish or make Mexico pay for. And he's gonna drill drill drill and re-defund the EPA again. How the f do you explain to your kid that 50 million, scary low for USA to get elected, opted for the grab guy again?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Misogyny Arouses GOP Arseholes.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

MAGA = Bad Humans.

You really are a shit person if you support this trash. No excuses, nothing can justify it, you're just a piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yes yes and thrice yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fascism. They fundamentally believe that inequality based on inherent identity is morally correct. And identity based on some myth. That is why capitalism, science denial to further deregulation, blind or fanatical faith and fascism work so well together.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Y'all have a serious problem accepting the fact that most people are, in fact, evil, and it shows.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's one thing to accept the fact that people are capable of terrible, evil things, and a totally different thing to encourage said behavior for political and financial gain.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Encouraging said behavior is evidence that humans are inherently evil, not a point against it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Capable” does not equal “inherently” - he didn’t say what you’re asserting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A meaningless distinction because people show that they prefer evil all the time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It’s more important than ever to be precise in what you say and mean.

I offer no cover or comfort to traitors like Trump, but do understand that most people just want to live their lives in peace. Evil comes into it when some want more than what life has to offer, and will claw more at any expense.

That is not “people” in general. This is why precise word matter.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

But most people are like that. Even by your definition of evil, most people are evil and that's by virtue of the fact that life right now offers nothing to them, so them wanting anything makes them evil by your definition.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

People downplay that Access Hollywood tape, but he wasn’t joking. He was completely serious. In his mind, he could - and did – literally grab women’s pussies because he thought they’d just let him do it.

Here’s the thing, as an SA survivor, there are several natural reactions to situations like that – fight, flight, or freeze. In close quarters, you often can’t flee, and with a large attacker, you can’t always fight. Freezing is a very common response to sexual assault.

So all these years, when he says ‘they just let you do it’, he’s been describing his victims’ freeze response. You don’t have to be a star for that to be your victim’s reaction. And yet his followers and the media have turned it into a joke.

I think I can speak for many SA survivors when I say that’s disgusting, appalling, and hurtful.

e: a few words

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't find it funny at all and have to say my faith in humanity was absolutely crushed (below rock bottom) when he wasn't immediately cast out after the tape came out. My mother (in her 80s) was like "yeah, that's what we're dealing with, son".

It's not locker room talk, it's rapist talk.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As a dude who's been in plenty of locker rooms... it is indeed "rapist talk". For sure, there's bantering of all sorts (mostly about boobs and dumbshit)... but there ain't nobody in there that's proud to talk like that; Unless they actually mean it and than they sound like a creepy fucking rapist, and nobody's really having fun with the "jokes" anymore.

He's a rapist. And by continuing to open his fat fucking mouth about how that's "fine and whatever", he brings down all men in the process. Fuck that dude, he ain't allowed to be part of the "cool men's club", ya fucking weirdo. Fuck that dude

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Rereading this thread, I just wanted you to know I don’t agree with your downvote. Guys admire boobs and stuff and that’s perfectly fine. Like you’re saying, there’s a line. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate you.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's not locker room talk, it's rapist talk.

100%. Worse, he says ‘they’ let you do it. How many women has he done this to? Obviously more than E Jean. Looking at the hell she’s been put through since coming forward, it’s no wonder his other victims haven’t been willing to come forward.

Trump was a co-defendant along with Epstein in the rape case of a 13 year old girl who dropped the case when herself and her family were threatened with death.

He’s not just a rapist, but a serial rapist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Statistically, probably dozens of women in his lifetime.

This, sadly, is nothing new. People like this have existed throughout all of human history... evil is deeply woven into the fabric of reality. Goodness is an outlier.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I agree with everything you said except for the last bit. I believe most people are basically good. Unfortunately we tend to see much more of the dregs of society because outrage attracts far more eyeballs than awws, so the world looks much worse than it actually is.

I’ve lived many places and have travelled a lot, and I’ve experienced more violence and hardship than many people, but in my experience, the good still far outweighs the bad.

eta: /c/upliftingnews can help if you’re feeling down about things.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Conservative morality isn't based on the things it claims to be.

The foundations are these:

  1. Social hierarchy is natural and desirable.
  2. The hierarchy is asserted by selective rule-enforcement
  3. The game is zero-sum

They literally don't believe that rules should bind high-status people; that's what makes them powerful - and thus admirable - in their eyes.

Rules are only enforced downwards, protecting the strong from the actions of the weak - and violating that principle is the only sin.

That's why they're so hung up on race / gender / sexuality: those things are caste markers to them, and determine the right and proper role for people in their eyes. If someone steps out of their pre-ordained caste, that's violating the hierarchy and eroding the rules that keep society ordered-therefore-safe, and therefore inherently immoral to them.

Every time people post another scoop on Trump getting away with shit, it just affirms his kingly, even godly status in their eyes.

The only thing that can bring him down is defeat and failure, being subjected to rules and forced to submit to them, showing him to be low-status and thus not admirable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The book Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It (excerpts) is fantastic to explain this new fascism and provides a very useful new definition: “Inequality through mythological and essentialized identity”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Damn thank you for introducing me to this site, like libgen but way better (also including libgen)!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

That's why they're so hung up on race / gender / sexuality: those things are caste markers to them, and determine the right and proper role for people in their eyes. If someone steps out of their pre-ordained caste, that's violating the hierarchy and eroding the rules that keep society ordered-therefore-safe, and therefore inherently immoral to them.

You've nailed it. Also, if people start to realise these labels aren't as fixed they may naturally extend those conclusions to other arbitrary markers - like class and wealth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

"It's an American ideal that we treat women with respect. Also, TRUMP THAT BITCH"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

They’re degenerates and trump is their king.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

He was elected despite being on tape saying "grab em by the pussy, you can do anything"

They aren't going to start caring about women suddenly. Women are just property to the base and they are expected to vote according to their owners. At least that's what it looks like!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

THERE’S NEVER BEEN A SECRET TO THE PERSON HE IS. HE SAID IT OUT LOUD AND STILL BECAME PRESIDENT.

It’s not like people aren’t listening, it’s that those that vote for him actually think the same way and it makes them proud to hear it when it’s said

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

After someone said "So, who cares? He's the president" I decided to cut all contact and never speak to them again.

They know, they don't care. The cruelty is always the point.

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