There is the other side. When everyone is playing so badly that there is no fun at all. Even on the ranks. All your efforts go down the toilet.
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What game does this happen with?
I'd say League. Games may not start that way but they can end up that way pretty quickly. Like, people can play well in certain states. Once they get out of that state they may pay like shit. E.g get killed twice in quick succession and they start doubting themselves or playing to aggressive trying to catch back up and keeping making mistakes as a result.
Being able to keep a level head is as much a skill as anything else.
Fair point.
It does make me think how many people would describe a good player as a overly competitive player. It's completely subjective and up for interpretation
Folks who play professionally are often both. I don't think that's really all that subjective.
Smurfs on Dota 2 are the worst, though I do appreciate valve trying to punish these. CS:GO on the other hand...
Valorant in a nutshell. Play Spike Rush or Swift Play to warm up and get better. People on mic or in All chat saying things like "tryhard!" as if the point of the game isn't to try to win.
Companies could just hire GMs and police their online environments, instead of just trying to increase quarterly profits.
Always funny when these two players are the same rank tho
That says way more about the competitive one though. Because I'm just chillin and not trying and still hosing you.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned GTA Online. I find it unplayable since turbo bike jets are flying everywhere and firing missiles from a kilometre away.
And the goal isn't even to kill players.
It was unplayable at launch and I don't mean the insane server problems. I started playing GTO launch weekend and it was never good. Sure we didn't have the insane vehicles and weapons of later GTO but people had more than enough. Every server had at least one dude with a Rhino and one dude with a Hydra. I was the dude with the Hydra but my targets were dudes with Rhinos who went after random players. After a while doing it I realized it was every Rhino. People just get bored and start using the powerful stuff on randoms just because they can.
Was always toxic as hell, it was just unaffordable for most people in game. When they gave larger variety on the cheap it just made it worse.
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Dead by Daylight anyone?
Some of the most toxic pieces of shit up at the higher "ranks."
That's because the developers are toxic pieces of shit. It works its way down.
Something I've realized over the years playing high reaction multiplayer games is that there's a very real chance the person freaking out over a missed score or a loss in chat is super high on coke, meth, or A LOT of adderall. The amount of hard stimulant addicts I've spoken with who frequent rocket league or quake-esque game deathmatches is crazy.
Back when I played OSRS a lot I ended up playing a few nights with one of the big PVP clans here and there. Most of the people were meth heads or pill addicts just spewing the craziest shit. I made decent loot with them but having to be in a call with a bunch of meth heads wasn't worth it.
one of the main reasons i stopped playing MMOs is that everyone takes end game stuff super seriously and i just don't find it fun to be lectured on what i'm doing wrong and which meta build i should follow instead :(
I had a friend who would get deep into MMOs and kept trying to convince me to join. When I eventually said OK to giving one a go his next move was sending me a textbook sized guide on game's meta. Having to start studying to play a game was a step too far for me.
oof I've had friends who liked to do research on the games they played and learn how to do things externally before coming into the game and doing the things, but if they ever expected me to do that homework I would probably have felt the same as you. I get that it must be fun for them to give themselves that homework (otherwise they wouldn't do it right? lol) but for me I have fun by exploring, learning on my own, and overcoming challenges on my own. The only way my friends like that ever spoiled anything for me was by telling me how things worked before I had figured it out on my own or giving me items that they had learned how to get externally before I knew how it was possible etc
For me the main reason I ever played MMOs was that they seemed like an easy genre to play with friends and to find new friends in, and I did both a lot. But I just didn't know at first that in most MMOs the main thing to do for most people is all the post-game activities lol. My fav things to do in games are usually to explore and learn the lore, which in my experience aren't things many MMO players care much about. The last MMO I got really into was GW2, and I had helped build a guild that didn't mind casual players, but even in that guild I couldn't really participate in end game content because they'd still get frustrated if I didn't follow the meta strictly. I ended up being "that guild lady" who ran overworld event trains, sometimes dungeons, and sometimes pvp, cuz everyone else who had the rank to run community schedule stuff usually only ran Fractals and Raids and I generally didn't feel welcome in those categories since I didn't stick to the meta. That's not to say I didn't like the guild, I met a lot of good friends in it and the community was overall really sweet and welcoming, it's just that despite being essentially one of the founding members and one of the highest ranking members I still couldn't even participate in most of the content we did without being lectured about doing it "wrong." And after a while I just got bored and lost interest in playing it (I mean there were other reasons too but that was a big part of it), and haven't had the motivation to really try any other MMOs since then :/ (GW2 is still probly my fav MMO though, it had a really good story and a lot of cute mounts and pets, I personally especially liked the POF expansion which had a couple big existential moments imo. But after a while it's like well I know the story pretty well and I know the world really well so because of how I like to play games there's just not much more for me to do anymore (thanks for coming to my TED talk))
I've been idly considering jumping back in, I was more or less up to date in late 2020 but there's been what, 2 expacs since I last played, getting the gryphon mount was fun.
This is why I stopped playing Star Trek Online with people
Same, it's why I avoid games where raiding is the endgame, I'm not studying a boss on youtube before I fight it, there's no fun in that and this is the only genre where people do it.
There are casual guilds out there in most games where everyone smokes weed and doesn't really care how well the raid goes as long as everyone is chill and having fun. Harder to find, though, most guilds are full of tween turbo Chad officer's that adhere to DKP until it's something they want for their buddy, or alt, or they can sell for a lot.
Man, one time I joined the public (pvp) raid of a well known crazy guild. Pretty sure that at least the leader had taken some stuff. The shit-talk was hilarious and they didn't care what happened. One of the most memorable raids I had the privilege being a part of.
omg yes, it's so much more fun for me to figure out how it works on my own from trial and error
This, when I was last doing the story in FFXIV I had a few dungeons that were like that, nobody seems to understand that I enjoy working out the mechanics through pain and doubt a lot, perpetual 170 ping from playing on na servers helps with the suffering too.
This is why I disable voice chat. I’d rather not be verbally abused by a 16 year old. It sucks because teams usually require team work to win, for which communication is important.
What does play for "fun" mean in a pvp game other than beating your opponent?
The difference to be is when people start whining because you're not playing the "meta", or start yelling at teammates when they make a mistake. Even if you're all about climbing the ranks, there's fun and polite ways to guide people without ruining the experience for everyone.
People are ignoring that just the act of playing the game can be fun. On top of that, getting better yourself or pulling off certain maneuvers can be fun, or even appreciating what the opponents are doing. I had a lot of fun playing rocket league with a friend, even if outmatched, and getting scored on an opponent who pulled off an aerial into top corner made me appreciate what they just did.
Maybe also take a page from dwarf fortress players: Losing is fun!
Depends on the game. Chess is 0% based on luck, but in i.e: Age of Empires II the randomness of the starting map affects a lot in the outcome of the game. It's not like you beat your opponent fully thanks to your skills. It's more having fun discovering the map each time and be more competitive in the endgame.
Some people have fun by trolling. Some people have fun by winning. Online games are meant to be played with friends if one doesn't want to encounter toxicity.
Online games are meant to be played with friends if one doesn’t want to encounter toxicity.
OR, companies can hire GMs and police their online environments, instead of just trying to increase quarterly profits.
After a while, you'll find that those "friends" will:
- not be available at the same time you want to play.
- won't have the game in their library.
- won't necessarily want to play the way you want to
You get your gaming sessions where you can, or not at all.
I believe that is called having friends. Not clones of yourself. I've made plenty of friends online that we just played a game together and when we were done with the game we never talked to each other again. Played with some friends raiding in wow for years and at the end we were just done. It's the cycle of gaming friends.
And my irl friends don't always play the same games but they are not "friends" they are friends. We have different ideas of what types of games are fun.
Meanwhile I have all chat disabled, jumping into comp games to throw
Well, this image summarized how I look at all professionals at a specific game regardless of how they actually are like.
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