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Avoidable deaths are on the rise in the United States, yet falling in many peer nations. (www.brown.edu)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"When the researchers examined the causes of avoidable deaths (including road traffic accidents, illnesses preventable by vaccines, treatable conditions like sepsis or appendicitis, and conditions preventable by early detection and treatment like cervical cancer, ischemic heart disease and tuberculosis), they found that deaths from a variety of different causes are rising in every U.S."

“There’s been a lot of discussion about preventable deaths in the U.S. such as drug-related deaths or suicides, which do account for a big proportion of this trend,” Papanicolas said. “However, we found that deaths from nearly all major categories are increasing.”

People just aren't going to the doctor cause it costs too much...thanks, free market!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, about that reporter...

He fell down an elevator shaft. Onto some bullets.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (34 children)

I'm curious, how much is a typical doctor's visit in the U.S. without insurance of any kind? Just a straight out of pocket sort of expense. $50, $100, $250, $500, $1000? I assume that it scales based on more complicated procedures or longer visits, but what about the basics, like going in for what you think is a bad cold or the flue, maybe a rash or something along those lines?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

A bad cold or flu you probably wouldn't go to a doctor, just an urgent care clinic for some antibiotics or whatever. Probably run $100-$150 + cost of meds (hopefully generic).

If urgent care can't help, an out of pocket visit to primary care provider will be closer to $300 just to step in the door. Hospitals will put you on a payment plan if you can't front it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ah, yes I've heard that about stateside hospitals. Apparently there's an entire department alongside accounting that deals with remediation of accounts payable. Less than ideal, but it sounds as though it costs a lot less that I'd been assuming this whole time.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I'll stress that's just to get in the door. Usually if you're going to the doctor they'll want to run xrays, CT scans, MRIs, blood tests, whatever diagnostics and it starts escalating fast.

But this is stuff people can plan for. Emergency visits are much worse in my experience, suffering from appendicitis would have put us $40k in the hole overnight without insurance.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What kind of Doctor? What kind of Visit?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Let's say the family type, and a checkup for any of the more mundane things above.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Typically, out of pocket no insurance cost for primary care physician visit is around $200-300.

If you know the doctor, maybe $100 if he or she does a sliding scale.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's encouraging, at least. It's not cheap per se, but definitely not as exorbitant as I assumed.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Well, that's the problem, due to changes passed with the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare), annual routine screenings are free including women wellness. A lot of people do not know this.

The problem is when they find something wrong. Going to a specialist can easily push from hundreds to thousands.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Interesting, it's no wonder that so many Americans have a difficult time with medical bills. I was also under the impression that the Affordable Care Act had been dismantled, it's a bit tough to catch all of the headlines with so much going on all the time.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Well yeah, that's to be expected when healthcare has a paywall.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 4 days ago (5 children)

That’s because we’re a regressing country

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it's SO weird to be someone who grew up in America and has now spent about 25 years back home. i cannot understate the powerful effect of the mindset of "being an American".

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I’m unfortunately still here and even I haven’t a fucking clue

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

here's the thing. one might say something like, "well get one and move!" just like they'd say to a tesla owner, "if you don't want your car defaced, then just get rid of it!"

i'm not defending tesla. nothing burns brighter than an T. as in "time to leave".

but you can't just up and swap countries or cars every four years, right? there's a word for that, but half the country refuses to hear it.. it's unsustainable.

none of what i just wrote is directed at you personally. i personally have a spare bedroom in Canada that you're welcome to inhabit (barring obvious vets).

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