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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lots of suspicious comments in this thread. Seems like political astro-turfing has already arrived on Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

We have a lot of pro empire shills here after the reddit migration.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean the ones from hexbear aka lemmygrad-lite?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Possibly, I didn't look where they're all from, nor do I know what hexbear is or why it's significant. Sounds like some kind of intra-Lemmy drama which I'm not too interested in. Just noticed a fair amount, lets say........not totally organic, seemingly agenda pushing comments.

Edit: Forget my previous comment. I now see the problem with Hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

agenda pushing is when people have an opinion that doesn't align with my own

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No it's when there's mysteriously dozens of comments just magically showing up that are contrary to the vastly popular opinion on only one contentious issue, that serve the best interests of an entity with the time, resources to try to sway public opinion through fake grassroots posting. Also that entity has a fragile ego and a long history of online manipulation.......oh and also coincidentally they are all coming from the same server

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

lol, so your issue is that people with similar opinions happen to be on the same server? truly the most obvious evidence of agenda pushing!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I love how liberals think anybody who's outside of their echo chamber must be a paid shill. It's absolutely inconceivable to them that there is a significant amount of people who have contrary opinions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vastly popular opinion held by whom?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone with half a brain can see what's going on. I'm not playing these silly obfuscation games. You're bad at what you do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yes, anybody with half a brain can see that you have paranoid delusions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this that stupid shit where their air defense zone covers a huge chunk of mainland China and they freak out every time China flies Chinese planes over China?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you actually read the article,

Of those aircraft, the ministry said 10 had either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait, which previously served as an unofficial barrier between the two sides, or entered the southwestern part of Taiwan's air defence identification zone, or ADIZ.

you would find that 10 aircrafts either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait or entered the southwestern part of the ADIZ. Neither of those is "flying over mainland China."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's still international airspace, so it's a moot point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is, but it was clearly done to provoke Taiwan. Calling this a moot point is like saying that laughing at homeless people is fine because it is not illegal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you consider China flying planes on its coastline to be unacceptable provocation, I'd love to know what you consider the USA sending ships half way around the world to that same coastline.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

China did not just fly planes on its coastline. They crossed the median line, which is an unofficial line that has been dividing the Taiwan Strait for decades. Planes and vessels from China and those from Taiwan would not cross this line to show mutual respect. China is purposely breaking this unwritten convention. See how they usually just barely cross the median line, fly parallel to the line for a bit and head back? Neither are the planes passenger planes, they are fighter jets. This is different from the US sending ships through the Strait. Sending a military ship through the Strait is a provocation to China, but it is much weaker than the direct provocation of the fighter jets crossing the median line.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you realize that the uptick in frequency of these 'provocations' only started in response to the pelosi visit? the incident that had a considerable portion of the entire chinese population howling for the cpc to shoot down the plane and engulf the world in nuclear fire? this is the cpc's way of appeasing its very large and very rabid nationalist constituency (who are very disappointed that they have not died in a nuclear armageddon, btw) and it is a meme on the chinese internet that despite all of its rhetoric, this pathetic level of 'not touching you' fuckery is somehow the lowest that the cpc is willing to stoop to when faced with a de jure violation of its sovereignty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do realize, but is Pelosi visiting Taiwan Taiwan's "fault"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It probably does violate standing diplomatic agreements with the PRC over how that sort of thing would be handled. There was a lot of pushback in Taiwan because they saw it (correctly) as pointless pot-stirring.

Anyway, I think most of the flights that aren't innocuous (and many of them are or they wouldn't need to have such bullshit articles) are drills in preparation for the possibility of the US using Taiwan as a military platform as it has been angling for in the past. They aren't just dick swinging or whatever, China doesn't want to take any risks in the event of a military conflict, though it would prefer such a conflict not take place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the epistemological stumbling block of living in the west, is this cultural remnant of christianity that compels us to view all things first and foremost through the lens of good or evil, moral or immoral, fault and blame.

States are not perfect frictionless spheres floating in a vaccum and acting purely off some set of moral principles. They are enormous machines rooted into existence by countless interfaces, big and small, with the world as it exists. A state operates on material conditions, on probabilities, contingencies and eventualities. The number of trigger states in a computer is nothing compared to the volume of procedure and protocol involved in the running of a society. With this in mind, the more relevant question to ask with any geopolitical event is not "Who is morally responsible for this?" but "Is this outcome a logical one given our understanding of the factors at play?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Broke: Don't shoot down Pelosi because it would spark a war

Woke: Don't shoot down Pelosi because it means she can go back to America and speed up their decline

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taiwan? I think you mean Chinese Taipei.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I meant Taiwan. Chinese Taipei is only used in sports games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hate to break it to you, but even the US state department recognizes that there's no such country as Taiwan. Please call it by its correct name, "Chinese Taipei," so people know what you're talking about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, few country recognize Taiwan as a country. Fine. How are things going in Chinese Beijing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I wish I knew, but it's hard to get a visa, so I'm stuck in my shithole country (United States).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It sure is!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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Your account has been flagged for CCP tankie shill-like activity. Please review These Nuts and never forget that Mao killed more people than Stalin and Hitler combined!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

life is hard for you NAFO trolls now that you're off reddit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doing Holocaust denial to own the commies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your logic is baffling. Hitler killed millions of people in the Holocaust. Mao killed millions more, yet he's still a folk hero. Where is the disconnect here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That the only way you can come to the conclusion that Mao "killed more" is if you're deliberately downplaying how many Hitler killed, aka Holocaust denial.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I may have missed the lesson where numbers aren't allowed to be bigger than other numbers, so let me rephrase this in a way you might be able to understand. The most conservative estimate of famine deaths during the Great Leap Forward (backward) is greater than the ENTIRE European Jewish population in 1933 by at least six million.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

pretending hitler only killed jews is holocaust denial LIB

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