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Testimonial - Raven talks about her journey (www.youtube.com)
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Summarizer: In this video, Raven discusses her transformation through the carnivore diet, detailing her struggles with sugar addiction, her previous experiences with paleo diets, and the significant health improvements she's achieved since fully committing to carnivore. She shares her motivation, the challenges she faced, and how the diet has positively impacted her mental, physical, and spiritual well-being.

Key Points

Initial Encounter with Paleo

Raven recounts her journey beginning with a paleo cleanse in 2001, experiencing initial weight loss but eventually reverting back to unhealthy eating habits, highlighting her struggles with sugar and carb addiction.

Influence of Michaela Peterson

After watching Michaela Peterson's video about the carnivore diet, Raven became intrigued and started to pay more attention to carnivore-related content online, setting the stage for her eventual dietary transformation.

Weight Loss and Health Improvements

Raven describes her weight before starting the carnivore diet (around 260 pounds) and details the gradual weight loss (down to 178 pounds) and health improvements experienced, including normalized blood pressure and better insulin sensitivity.

Coping with Initial Challenges

Raven shares her difficult initial transition to carnivore, including withdrawal symptoms, persistent diarrhea, and emotional challenges as she faced her comfort eating habits.

Connection to First Nations Diet

She emphasizes the historical context of her diet as a First Nations person, discussing traditional dietary practices and the importance of eating animal-based foods in her culture.

Sustainable Eating and Gratitude

Raven expresses deeper appreciation for food, emphasizing a connection to nature and gratitude for the animals she consumes, which contrasts her previous attitudes towards eating.

Future Aspirations

Raven shares her goals for continued health improvement and physical fitness, including plans to participate in a triathlon, showcasing her renewed energy and belief in the benefits of the carnivore diet.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So switching to an even more unsustainable diet is good? Good for her that she feels better right now but a carnivorous paleo diet is far more taxing to the planet and not the way we can go forward as a humanity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ruminant agriculture is the pathway to restoring the ecology. https://hackertalks.com/post/8020602

Tldr: there is no ecosystem without ruminants, they are vital in promoting the top soil, water retention, and utilizing non arable pasture land . Factory farming is unsustainable

Humanity has to be healthy, we can't sustain a sick population. That is more expensive then a healthy population

There is something like 850m type 2 diabetics in the world, treating them has a massive environmental impact. The US spends about a billion dollars a day on chronic diseases rooted on metabolic disorders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We have a world population of over 8 billion, this is not going to change for a while and you are promoting factory farming by saying "we need to eat paleo aeound the globe to be healthy". If we really want a sustainable diet that helps takling climate change, health and food scarcicity right now we need to up our consumtion of wholefood plantbased meals, not meat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I politely disagree. This is a carnivore community after all. We have different biases.

India has a diabetes rate around 30%, the highest in the world, it also has the largest population of plant only eaters. It's not sustainable for India.

Arable land is only about 6% of land on earth, pasture land is about 20%. If we are Ina food crisis, we can't ignore 20% of our land for food generation

Climate change is best addressed by ending factory farms, moving agriculture back into regenerative farming (remember crop rotation?), focusing on soil health. Food should never be shipped long distances, local food independence is critical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"A 2004 study suggests that the prevalence of type 2 diabetes in Indians may be due to environmental and lifestyle changes resulting from industrialization and migration to urban environment from rural.[6] This lifestyle change has led to the increased consumption of energy intake from animal foods in Asian populations.[7] This change has been seen in India where urban residents consumed 32% of energy from animal fats compared to 17% of rural residents.[8]"

Straight from the wikipedia article about diabetes in India.

You are saying yourself that factory farming has to end to takle climate change. 99% of US-livestock is already factory farmed and you are saying this number can be reduced while changing peoples diet to a more carnivorous diet?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Carbohydrate consumption is a necessary component of type 2 diabetes. Animal sourced foods have nearly zero carbohydrates. T2Diabetes is a direct result of plant based foods. The 30% India diabetes rate is huge, and the Wikipedia explanation doesn't hold for other industrialized countries.

I agree the factory farming model isn't sustainable. We need to move to both utilizing all land for food production AND restoring the ecosystem. That requires ruminants.

Healthy people are less of a burden, and they even eat less food. Carnivores spend less money on groceries because they eat less volume overall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Type 2 diabetes is largely preventable by staying at a normal weight, exercising regularly, and eating a healthy diet (high in fruits and vegetables and low in sugar and saturated fat).[1]

Sure, cutting carbs off your diet helps losing weight. It just has so much downsides for the planet we are living on to promote cutting carbs by upping meat consumption that it is not a sustainable awnser to this issue. Animal farming is destroying our planet, farming more animals is not going to help.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We are now just talking in circles. I agree that there are improvements to be made to the agricultural sector. I disagree on how to best achieve it.

Your data about type 2 diabetes is out of date. Most type 2 diabetes are not obese. The skinny metabolically unwell out number the fatties.

Fruits are absolutely the last thing a diabetic needs to be eating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't sound like you're a doctor so it would be great if you wouldn't spread such misinformation. This might seriously harm people. Sad to see this kind of FB fluff on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I assume your concern is with fruits?

https://doi.org/10.3945/an.112.002998 # Fructose: It’s “Alcohol Without the Buzz”

https://doi.org/10.1038/nrgastro.2010.41 # The role of fructose in the pathogenesis of NAFLD and the metabolic syndrome

https://doi.org/10.1002/oby.21371 # Isocaloric fructose restriction and metabolic improvement in children with obesity and metabolic syndrome

The fructose epidemic

But if you prefer to listen to a doctor say it: https://youtu.be/jpNU72dny2s

If your concern is with the connection of carbohydrates and type 2 diabetes?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39433217/ - 5-Year effects of a novel continuous remote care model with carbohydrate-restricted nutrition therapy including nutritional ketosis in type 2 diabetes: An extension study

https://doi.org/10.3390/nu17061047 - Myths and Facts Regarding Low-Carbohydrate Diets

But if you prefer to listen to a doctor say it: https://youtu.be/e2g-OW-NZcY

Or a clinician discussing in a accessible way on reversing diabetes: https://youtu.be/h8qQtHWCvZI

if you have a different concern

Please enumerate your concerns and I'll provide references.

This is a zero carb community, a place to discuss these topics. If you have already made up your mind and nothing will change it, I invite you to block this community.

I actually read the papers I cite, I don't just dump google results into a conversation as some sort of win card. I'm happy to talk about the papers in detail with you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

People getting their bodies back, getting their lives back, every time I listen to a story I'm both happy she got her life back and frustrated how we as a society did this to ourselves

Raven has a YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVOgAd1xQWo