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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Generating content with AI to throw off crawlers. I dread to think of the resources we’re wasting on this utter insanity now, but hey who the fuck cares as long as the line keeps going up for these leeches.

[–] [email protected] 310 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Imagine how much power is wasted on this unfortunate necessity.

Now imagine how much power will be wasted circumventing it.

Fucking clown world we live in

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Relevant excerpt from part 11 of Anathem (2008) by Neal Stephenson:

Artificial InanityNote: Reticulum=Internet, syndev=computer, crap~=spam

“Early in the Reticulum—thousands of years ago—it became almost useless because it was cluttered with faulty, obsolete, or downright misleading information,” Sammann said.

“Crap, you once called it,” I reminded him.

“Yes—a technical term. So crap filtering became important. Businesses were built around it. Some of those businesses came up with a clever plan to make more money: they poisoned the well. They began to put crap on the Reticulum deliberately, forcing people to use their products to filter that crap back out. They created syndevs whose sole purpose was to spew crap into the Reticulum. But it had to be good crap.”

“What is good crap?” Arsibalt asked in a politely incredulous tone.

“Well, bad crap would be an unformatted document consisting of random letters. Good crap would be a beautifully typeset, well-written document that contained a hundred correct, verifiable sentences and one that was subtly false. It’s a lot harder to generate good crap. At first they had to hire humans to churn it out. They mostly did it by taking legitimate documents and inserting errors—swapping one name for another, say. But it didn’t really take off until the military got interested.”

“As a tactic for planting misinformation in the enemy’s reticules, you mean,” Osa said. “This I know about. You are referring to the Artificial Inanity programs of the mid–First Millennium A.R.”

“Exactly!” Sammann said. “Artificial Inanity systems of enormous sophistication and power were built for exactly the purpose Fraa Osa has mentioned. In no time at all, the praxis leaked to the commercial sector and spread to the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies. Never mind. The point is that there was a sort of Dark Age on the Reticulum that lasted until my Ita forerunners were able to bring matters in hand.”

“So, are Artificial Inanity systems still active in the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies?” asked Arsibalt, utterly fascinated.

“The ROBE evolved into something totally different early in the Second Millennium,” Sammann said dismissively.

“What did it evolve into?” Jesry asked.

“No one is sure,” Sammann said. “We only get hints when it finds ways to physically instantiate itself, which, fortunately, does not happen that often. But we digress. The functionality of Artificial Inanity still exists. You might say that those Ita who brought the Ret out of the Dark Age could only defeat it by co-opting it. So, to make a long story short, for every legitimate document floating around on the Reticulum, there are hundreds or thousands of bogus versions—bogons, as we call them.”

“The only way to preserve the integrity of the defenses is to subject them to unceasing assault,” Osa said, and any idiot could guess he was quoting some old Vale aphorism.

“Yes,” Sammann said, “and it works so well that, most of the time, the users of the Reticulum don’t know it’s there. Just as you are not aware of the millions of germs trying and failing to attack your body every moment of every day. However, the recent events, and the stresses posed by the Antiswarm, appear to have introduced the low-level bug that I spoke of.”

“So the practical consequence for us,” Lio said, “is that—?”

“Our cells on the ground may be having difficulty distinguishing between legitimate messages and bogons. And some of the messages that flash up on our screens may be bogons as well.”

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Now this is a AI trap worth using. Don't waste your money and resources hosting something yourself, let Cloudflare do it for you if you don't want AI scraping your shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Spiderman pointing at Spiderman meme.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

And this, ladies and gentleman, is how you actually make profits on AI.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So the web is a corporate war zone now and you can choose feudal protection or being attacked from all sides. What a time to be alive.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Cloudflare kind of real for this. I love it.

It makes perfect sense for them as a business, infinite automated traffic equals infinite costs and lower server stability, but at the same time how often do giant tech companies do things that make sense these days?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Will it actually allow ordinary users to browse normally, though? Their other stuff breaks in minority browsers. Have they tested this well enough so that it won't? (I'd bet not.)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Damned ~~Arasaka~~Cloudflare ice walls are such a pain

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I swear someone released this exact thing a few weeks ago

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not exactly how I expected the AI wars to go, but I guess since we're in a cyberpunk world, we take what we get

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Next step is an AI that detects AI labyrinth.

It gets trained on labyrinths generated by another AI.

So you have an AI generating labyrinths to train an AI to detect labyrinths which are generated by another AI so that your original AI crawler doesn't get lost.

It's gonna be AI all the way down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah that’s how we achieve singularity.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

LLMs tend to be really bad at detecting AI generated content. I can’t imagine specialized models are much better. For the crawler, it’s also exponentially more expensive and more human work, and must be replicated for every crawler since they’re so freaking secretive.

I think the hosts win here.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

All the while each AI costs more power than a million human beings to run, and the world burns down around us.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (30 children)

The same way they justify cutting benefits for the disabled to balance budgets instead of putting taxes on the rich or just not giving them bailouts, they will justify cutting power to you before a data centre that's 10 corporate AIs all fighting each other, unless we as a people stand up and actually demand change.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So the world is now wasting energy and resources to generate AI content in order to combat AI crawlers, by making them waste more energy and resources. Great! 👍

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The energy cost of inference is overstated. Small models, or “sparse” models like Deepseek are not expensive to run. Training is a one-time cost that still pales in comparison to, like, making aluminum.

Doubly so once inference goes more on-device.

Basically, only Altman and his tech bro acolytes want AI to be cost prohibitive so he can have a monopoly. Also, he’s full of shit, and everyone in the industry knows it.

AI as it’s implemented has plenty of enshittification, but the energy cost is kinda a red herring.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

DNA Lounge has something similar - I think they even mentioned infinite JavaScript loops, and images that expand like zip-bombs.

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