Israel committing war crimes like there's no tomorrow. Accountability needs to be taken.
this post was submitted on 30 Jan 2024
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Assuming the 3 killed were Hamas, this is still a warcrime. You don't bomb hospitals, and you don't send hit squads into hospitals to murder people.
(Still assuming those killed were hamas)
No its not - and to whoever calls me anti or pro something stop hiding behind insults. Stick with the events that actually are war crimes - there are enough to go around from both sides.
It is a war crime to attack a hospital being used for purpose. A hospital (and other protected places) lose their protection when they are used for military purposes, including housing combatants, storage of munitions or logistics and command.
What Israel failed miserably at (and I hope those responsible are held to account) is proportional response, as even without protection the response must be proportional and minimize civilian casualties and wider damage. A small hit team that targeted specific military personnel hiding in a hospital is a much more measured response than bombs through the roof.
If they killed non combatants (either civilians or injured, non combat capable combatants) then a different story.
Well, one of them was in a wheel chair so yeah they assassinated a non combatant in a hospital
Non combatant doesn't just mean not running around with a rifle shooting things - its ability and conduct.
If im planning an attack, then walk into a hospital im still a combatants - I become a non combatant when I stop, surrender or am no longer capable of engaging due to my ability... out of the fight so to speak. You don't magically become impervious when you walk (or wheeled) in the door then vulnerable when you walk out.
He was in hospital because shrapnel had severed his spine. In the west bank. You can throw semantics at it, but going by the context I'd put money on him not being actively engaged in combat as he was incapable by your words
I think the best way to explain it is take the example to the extreme end - would bin laden have been capable of planning the 9/11 attacks from a hospital bed while not able to walk?
Law and precident are literally semantics - the difference between a war crime with the penalty of death and a frowny face is literally the details.
So then literally no one is protected then. According to you anyone could be a terrorist committing thought crime.
Feel like I'm talking with people trying to find a reason to be offended. Take 5 seconds
Is every protected person
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a known member of a terrorist organization
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been wounded conducting what are considered terrorist actions
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in proximity to two other terrorists
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before considering what other information may be held by IDF.
This post and multiple comments are being reported, so I'm making a top post to be 100% clear on this:
The facts of the issue are not in dispute. Israel did send an undercover team into a hospital to assassinate legitimate military targets. They admit to it and we have surveilance camera footage confirming it.
Problem #1 - Patients in hospitals, either ill or injured, are a protected class under the Geneva Conventions. You cannot run an assassination operation in a hospital, that's a war crime. Even if the targets are legitimately bad people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality
"The First Geneva Convention states that there should be no “obstacle to the humanitarian activities” and that wounded and sick “shall be respected and protected in all circumstances.”[4]
Article 18 demands that medical units, i.e. hospitals and mobile medical facilities, may in no circumstances be attacked.[5]
Problem #2 - Dressing as civilians, doctors, and women to engage in a military operation is is SEPARATE war crime called "perfidy".
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule65?country=us#sectioni
"(4) One may commit an act of treachery or perfidy by, for example, feigning an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or a surrender or feigning incapacitation by wounds or sickness or feigning a civilian, non-combatant status or feigning a protected status by the use of signs, emblems, or uniforms of the United Nations or a neutral State or a State not party to the conflict."
They bombed entire hospitals and the world community didn't bat an eye, so they thought that the Geneva convention doesn't apply to them
Thanks for adding that. I'm not sure that I feel the first point applies here (I can see that people might argue otherwise) but the second point seems like a slam dunk.
The second point applies to both - a combatant also entered as a civilian and received aid pretending to be a civilian.
One doesn't justify the other - the way i could legitimize it is by saying the hot squad dropped their disguise before engaging... like sending their own flag up the pole. Would need to review prior to saying if it was correct or not.
The arguement against the first section is that those protections apply to civilians and non combatants - conviently left out of their statement. The (pretty solid IMO) arguement is that combatants do not fall under this protection, and terrorists never do, abd these were still designated combatants including possibly carrying arms and planning ops. The room also looks oddly cleaned for three dead people including at least one head shot.
Not to mention only one of three killed was even associated with Hamas.
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