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This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.

Fuck Trump!

I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's the bill number? Is there a link to the text for a full read?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a Minnesota bill and the link takes you to the full text.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

LOL, the stuff of nightmares.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (18 children)

Quite literally in my case.

PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)

If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.

Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

My first thought when reading this is….

We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I like Mancala, personally.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn't mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don't pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.

I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we're getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We're in for a rough time. Still: don't give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it's so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

It can’t happen here…until it does

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

While this may be true, most floods start with a single drop of rain.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure why Bill is presenting this shit, but he should stop!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What in tarnation? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real diagnosis now?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I always thought it was a mental condition suffered by those who lack the cognitive function it takes to not vote for a fascist dictator.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

No, just some terminally online Trump fans think it's real.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but, the bill doesn’t even make sense and uses “psychic” instead of “psychiatric”… so not even proof read….
it’s basically a troll bill, more important things to get upset about (unless you’re in minnesota, then you should petition to remove them)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't know how to start a riot

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

first: start a huge protest with flyers and stuff.
second: start breaking things.
????
nth: prison for inciting a riot.
(although, worth it)

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago

This statement sums up modern Western society.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Description

Trump Derangement Syndrome addition to the definition of mental illness
Authors (5)

Lucero ; Drazkowski ; Wesenberg ; Eichorn ; Gruenhagen 

Actions

Separated  
Chronological  

Senate
03/17/2025 Introduction and first reading
Intro
03/17/2025 Referred to Health and Human Services

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

I've contacted all those that I can. A director at NAMIMN did respond to my email stating that this bill won't be heard at all. Still fucked up of them to even try.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Which results in more cops getting shot

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"Trump Derangement Syndrome" means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump's behavior. This may be expressed by: new text end new text begin (1) verbal expressions of intense hostility toward President Donald J. Trump; and new text end new text begin (2) overt acts of aggression and violence against anyone supporting President Donald J. Trump or anything that symbolizes President Donald J. Tru"

Just in case you missed it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?

A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?

There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago

Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

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