It was a repeat of #MenAreTrash and a little bit of #MeToo using different words this time. And just like any other time there is an awareness campaign that highlights the general statistics and truth of things, instead of inspiring men to take a stand and push for any change or correcting of shitty, toxic behaviour; the so called loud minority rushes in to say "not all men" and defend the status quo while the so called silent majority lets them.
this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2025
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The major issue I had with this is that it plays into the alpha male misogynistic ideal of strength.
Some of them will almost certainly see it as a badge of honour. That they are so dominant that some stupid women (their opinion) will misinterpret that and get into trouble with a bear.
I was trying to come up with a way to rephrase it.
Something like would you rather be alone with a man or separate but you both have to eat a bowl of dog shit.
If women choose the bowl there are nasty consequences for both and it's clearer they would rather deal with that than the man.
Nowhere near as catchy though...
A question that put further division between men and women. I fuckin hated reading these debates
I don't know anything about its history on Lemmy and I haven't really seen it discussed online at all. I guess I live under a rock.
The one place I have been exposed to it is in this amazing write-up, which I encountered via Mastodon some time ago. For me it provided a perfect introduction to the argument, and gave me a lot to think about even though I am by no means ignorant to feminism and my position as a man in society.
Highly recommend the read, both to men and women. It's extremely well written.
Thanks for the read.
SnotFlickerman nailed it, so I’ll just add that the “man or bear” saga taught me what a “scissor statement” is.
For me, that was the biggest revelation of the whole thing.
You had people encountering the same general words in the same general order, but understanding them to mean completely different things, and not being able to comprehend how anyone could disagree with them.
It was like a rehash of “the dress”, but not so whimsical.
It was really kind of distressing, the extent to which it laid bare (no pun intended) how poorly we’re actually communicating with each other online, even though it otherwise seems like we’re communicating more than ever.
Aaaaand then we just kinda shrugged that off and went back to internet as usual.
Cool link but the blog writer is clearly mentally ill.
Jesus Christ. Even if I do think the story is fictional, I could believe that our current media landscape has been ruined by advertising firms.
Here's an example of a scissor statement that I've been calling out for years: the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's designed to be something that divides people. Not inviting your israel-supporting aunt to Thanksgiving and blocking your Palestine-supporting nephew is what the Man wants. That conflict, for as strongly as people feel about it here, does not matter to Americans. Nearly as many people have died fighting in the Myanmar civil war, and I don't know a single person who even has an opinion on that.
Maybe I'm generalising it a bit but it does seem like the main issue is the lack of open mindedness, compassion and an inclination for aggressive responses rather than simply agreeing to disagree.
Which unfortunately is a difficult thing to achieve since you need both sides to have the same mindset for any healthy discussion to happen. The moment one side decides to be antagonistic, it quickly derails the tone of the conversation regardless how open the other side may be. Heck this happens all the time here. It's called no stupid questions but people will still flame others for asking questions lol.
The scissor statement just serves to accelerate whatever problem already exists.
That link is fucking crazy. Thank you for sharing, fuggen bookmarked.
Yeah, I'm not engaging with the bear vs man debate, lol.
I'm more concerned about how some reacted to it than the debate itself.
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