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On this server we are often victim of this stuff, i hope we can all improve

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I really really really wished that all of the internet were forced to read this entire article or be banned from using it permanently. This shit is written very well and right on the nose.

It's very apparent everyone wants to complain and have someone else do the work for them; everywhere I read across the internet it's lazy as fuck people calling other people to action, including egging any mentally ill people that happen to read their comment to go out and commit crimes for them.

Case-in-point, go to any reddit post and find any of the top voted comment where a leftist is saying "someone needs to stop XYZ politician! " often implying violence when you contextually consider what they are saying.

Go to any post that is summoning Conservatives to answer what they think of the next dogshit Trump decision and why they aren't using Second Amendment rights to eliminate tyrants, forgetting that they, the Democrat poster themselves could also go out and buy a gun and do it themselves.

Everyone ate lazy dumb cowards, including you reading this. Kindly go fuck yourself for allowing Trump to delete trans and gay people from existence. They don't deserve this shitty government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

entire article

Yep, I kept it in the read it later for long and didn’t regret it.

I see some answers to these post that probably haven’t read the whole article but just the title. To be fair the title is a bit misleading because it should be more “rageposting or smartassing online won’t make our way out of fascism”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Case-in-point, go to any reddit post and find any of the top voted comment where a leftist is saying "someone needs to stop XYZ politician! " often implying violence when you contextually consider what they are saying.

This has been a tactic of the right for decades, earning the moinker of "stochastic terrorism", but it has been very rare on the left.

After Luigi (who isn't a leftist btw.) there has been a bit of an uptick, but it doesn't really work as there isn't an leftist audience that would seriously consider this and has sufficient experience with weapons (so far I guess).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Evidence to support your view:

I have cancer, I have often been open about it here on Lemmy. Several times post-Luigi I was told I should "do some good" and "Luigi myself" since I'm already at risk of dying under this oppressive regime.

Lazy able bodied fucks asking the people who are actually suffering to do their dirty work for them. I remember distinctly saying at one point "Maybe for the first time in history it's time for the able bodied to stand up for the ill, weak, and disabled instead of expecting us to off ourselves since in their eyes we have 'nothing left to lose.'" It's a cruel joke.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Saying sharing info is "at best" a coping mechanism seems a bit silly. With how algorithms keep people locked in their own bubbles, I'd say it's super important to share information you don't think everyone sees.

My mom had no idea about that student that got arrested, for example. I know for a fact most of my friends and family wouldn't know.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Truth. Treating it as nothing is doing the abusers jobs for them.

Reading, writing, and helping others read and write is liberation. Knowledge is power.

Why else would they be gutting educational institutions?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I think a lot of places that prohibit talking about violence are supporting the horrors. Like, it'd be swell if we could vote ourselves out of this mess but that seems like a long shot, and a lot of damage would be done before that even started to take effect.

I get most of us don't actually want to risk our lives. We don't want to be the one guy who throws a molotov and gets shot by the police.

But shit is really bad, and at the end of all things might makes right. Principles and philosophy don't matter if you're dead.

I think everyone's thought about like "what if i went back in time and shot Hitler before things got really bad?" Well, that's now. You've arrived at the time travel destination.

I don't really want to live in a world where republicans are shot dead, where the prosecutors putting people in jail for protesting are murdered in their sleep, or where the owners of a factory that pollutes the air we breathe are beaten so badly they'll never walk again. But I also don't want to live in the world those forces will create if left unchecked.

Besides, the right has been using stochastic terrorism for years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

But shit is really bad, and at the end of all things might makes right. Principles and philosophy don’t matter if you’re dead.

Not necessarily. There have been some successful non-violent revolutions in history, and there's a strong case to be made that not exhausting those options could be a huge mistake.

We still have, right now, un-used tools at our disposal, such as unionizing en masse and deploying a general strike, which is insanely powerful (capable of bringing a nation to its knees if done widely enough), while being far less dangerous and more appealing to the general populace than any other means.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But shit is really bad, and at the end of all things might makes right. Principles and philosophy don’t matter if you’re dead.

Not necessarily. There have been some successful non-violent revolutions in history, and there's a strong case to be made that not exhausting those options could be a huge mistake.

We still have, right now, un-used tools at our disposal, such as unionizing en masse and deploying a general strike, which is insanely powerful (capable of bringing a nation to its knees if done widely enough), while being far less dangerous and more appealing to the general populace than any other means.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I didn't mean to imply I support violence as a first strategy.

I actually wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. Partially because the violence against us is coming anyway. It is clearly planned. They are telegraphing what they intend to do, which is criminalize half the country so they can put us to death under the guise of "why couldn't they just follow the law."

That being said, just because the violence is coming doesn't mean inviting it right away is the best solution. The best solutions are the kind you suggest but also using Mutual Aid to develop Parallel Systems.

Parallel systems are simply systems outside of the capitalist mode of production and integration. Providing water, food, medical care, housing, support, and so on. The efforts of the Black Panthers were an exercise in developing parallel systems. The Black Panthers also knew violence was coming which is why a contingent of them were armed. Having such systems in place makes it easier for individuals to survive a long-term General Strike.

The testimony and cross examination of undercover officers by Afeni Shakur stands the test of time when she showed that the people pushing violence in the Panthers were undercover police officers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afeni_Shakur#The_Panther_21

Shakur got White to admit under oath that he and two other agents had organized most of the unlawful activities. "She asked him if he'd ever seen her carry a gun or kill anyone or bomb anything and he answered no, no, no. Then she asked if he'd seen her doing Panther organizing in a school and a hospital and on the streets and he answered, yes, yes, yes."

We must be prepared to resist the violence that is coming, but to do so without organizing and planning is a fools errand.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think a big issue is that the people educated enough to understand how desperate things may be are not naturally inclined to lead simply because we are more often than not deeply aware of our limitations and spend time telling ourselves we are not the right person to be leading.

But everything has to start somewhere. Someone had to throw the first brick at Stonewall. Being a leader can be scary because you don't know if anyone else will actually follow. It is a massive personal risk, especially to someone already aware of their own limitations and need for others.

I struggle with it because I would rather join an already existing Mutual Aid group instead of doing the work of organizing it myself. I am inherently disorganized. I do not see myself as a leader. I see myself as good at following processes, reading, following directions. I am moderately good at writing but I say enough stupid stuff that others don't agree with that I could accidentally alienate groups whose input and involvement are desperately needed. I fear leadership because of how often I put my foot in my mouth. I fear it because of how important it is and how many people come to rely on leadership. I think a great leader is one who teaches people how to lead themselves. Finally, if there is anything I have learned in life is that it is very easy to be thinking you're teaching the right lesson but you actually taught people something completely different and disturbing to you. I fear accidentally teaching the wrong lessons.

But the question is this: Are all those fears, all those questions, all that awareness of our own limitations... Could that be perhaps what actually creates a good leader whose goals align with those they represent? A question we should all be asking ourselves.

That being said, I still have no idea where to start. Especially in a conservative, regressive area. Hunter Thompson was right that we need to learn to speak their language, which is why he wrote in sports metaphors. Problem is, I am not like him, I don't know how to speak to them. I feel that may be my biggest limitation in making headway. Not just because I don't know how but because the simplistic way they communicate eats at my soul, I don't like it and struggle to think I could speak that language.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It’s not that we can’t beat fascism, it’s that the amount of people that want fascism is way too high, and might soon to be the majority.

How do you save a country from something most of them want?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure that the majority wants it? Do they want actual fascism or they want what fascism promises? :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they refuse to be educated, does it matter?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You don’t need to educate anyone… I too would not trust someone who comes to me thinking of “educating” me :P

Think about what to do and plan and organize accordingly. Trying to be aligned more and more is just deleterious

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong, we should do what we can.

My point was more about that sometimes it’s a numbers game, so you get stuck between a rock and a violent place (as in violence or civil war might end up being the only options).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

With a World War, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

By taking on the media and social media companies that create the environment and sentiment that has produced the current political climate.

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