Anyone who continues to argue against the Confederate flag being a racist symbol is a deeply unserious person.
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It's part of the bullshit narrative they've been trying to sell for fucking YEARS. That the Confederacy rose up on an issue of states rights and not slavery. Then they conveniently forget what right the Confederate states were fighting to keep... spoilers, it was slavery.
Edit: and in case you are thinking this is just a Republican narrative, it's not. Democrats have repeated this bullshit too. Hell, the fucking West Wing actually had an episode where they repeated that bullshit, and had the audacity to have a black actress actually deliver it.
You've all missed the point here, by a mile.
"any public building now flying the Ukrainian flag..."
And what fucking buildings would those be? He's drumming up anti-Ukraine feelings. Money says there are replies talking about how fucked up it is that the government is doing something it's not fucking doing.
Gotta love how the entire Republican party quickly turned anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia after Putin whispered sweet nothings into Trump's ear.
The conservatives were being anti-Ukraine from day 1 of the invasion, they didn't even wait for Trump to be relevant again.
Russia has a lot of the conservative leadership and media hooked even without Trump.
I always love when a "It's my heritage" person argues the US Civil War was about "States Rights".
I always ask, "States rights to do what? Many of the states expressed a desire to own slaves in the seceeding documents and in their states constitution."
Exactly. The Civil War- era Constitutions of the Southern states ALL mentioned the right to keep slavery as one of their first, if not the first, reason for secession.
And the Confederacy actually forbid any of it's member states from ever banking slavery.
So "states rights" was always a lie. The South actively fought against state authority.
I always start with “do you know what primary source material is?” Because it’s an innocuous question and you can usually get them to agree that looking at material from people at the time is a worthy pursuit. That’s when you can read the confederate states’ succession acts to them and watch their argument blow up like the Hindenburg.
I actually did exactly that a few years ago! I was at a neighbor's house and he mentioned that he had heard the civil war actually wasn't about slavery, but was about states rights. So I told him to read the South Carolina Declaration of Secession .
To my neighbor's credit, he actually sat there and read it and then went "oh so it actually was about slavery."
Unfortunately, I can't report that this was a huge epiphany that changed his overall views or way of thinking. This was around the time that Obama was getting his supreme court pick blocked, and my neighbor is still as Republican as ever to this day.
Yeah, my education growing up featured pro-confederacy curriculum pretty hard. It sums up as "The union didn't ban slavery at all until midway into the war, and even then only for rebelling states to scare the union border states into staying with the union to keep their slaves".
Of course, they had to really gloss over the various declarations of secession, some of the legislative moves of the period, and the Lincoln-Douglas debates. But in exchange there was just so much support from the daughters/sons of the confederacy... Sure they could point out how much the Union was slow-walking change, but it was absurd that we were taught that slavery was at most a footnote as to why the war kicked off.
If it's not a flag about hate, what is it about? Southern pride/tradition? Pride in what? What did the South do that was so different from the rest of the US at the time of the civil war?
Oh, maybe they meant that it was about "love for slavery". It's a flag of love!
Fascist, racist, uneducated fuck ups.
Not defending it, but I think for them it means pride in their region/area/heritage. And it's not about anything deeper than that. It's like a college sports team for them. Like the rich white fan base for Duke, and UNC being just a couple miles away.
That is exactly why you see them at Klan rallies.
Edit: Also in Canada in the province of Alberta they fly the Confederate flag. Lots of historical pride in Canada for Confederate losers. /s
Of course the Klan also flies the US flag.
Culturally in the rural south, a lot goes into convincing as many people as possible that the civil war had little to do with racism and instead it was about the elite northerners vaguely bossing the poor southerners around.
As a consequence, they get that flag flown by a fair number of oblivious people that either worship some idealized vision of the antebellum south or just in general people saying "being a rebel is cool".
Like Dukes of Hazard fans largely treated it as a symbol of generic righteous rebellion rather than referring to the core principles of the conflict that created the flag.
Pete Hegseth has white nationalist tattoos. What's amazing is that Trump will hire losers who only get 614 views on social media. At least Hegseth and many others were on TV, so they at least were qualified enough to work at Fox.