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[–] [email protected] 130 points 2 weeks ago (31 children)

You can tell capitalism is super efficient and sustainable by how it totally collapses without fresh babies to sacrifice.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I believe Japan has less inequality than the US. Not sure on that, but I think it's true. I think in this case we see work culture playing a role. The only country in the world with a worse work culture than the US is Japan. No one has time to even think about having kids when you are a company man there. It's similar in the US.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Even as economist talk about the Lost Decade (really, two decades) in Japan, the unemployment rate has always been relatively subdued compared to the US:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LRUN25TTJPA156N

From about 1.7% in 1990, and then two spikes that just about reach 5.0% in 2002 and 2009. Not only that, but that's the range for people 25-54 years old, which isn't equivalent to the headline number typical in the US. There is an equivalent in published US data, and you can see it's much higher and spikier than Japan:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000060

This doesn't mean everything is OK for the working class in Japan. Housing prices are astronomical, requiring 100 year multi-generational loans. Working culture is also far more stressful. However, I think it's fair to ask who the "Lost (two) Decades" is really affecting.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The only country in the world with a worse work culture than the US is Japan

What about North Korea?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Get to work juice boys!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I live and work in Japan, and it definitely is not a very condusive environment for younger Japanese people to have children. My wife and I are both foreigners, and we are in out late 30's and just had our first. The country has some really great benefits and support services for having children, but we definitely would not be able to do this if we worked for Japanese companies, and with the Japanese work mentality.

While it IS getting better, work being the central pillar of life and the expectations from the older generations are still very much a thing. The long hours of paper pushing, the culture of promotion based on age and time served rather than innovation and hard work takes a toll on people. If you are not living in the office in your 20s to show your dedication, you are looked down upon, at least accoridng to my Japanese friends.

Immigration could help fix some of this. Japan is a desireable, largely affordable country, that is safe when it comes to raising children. Living here as a foreigner though has specific challenges, and your job prospects are pretty poor unless you are lucky, and access to housing and just general living can be challenging, even if you can speak Japanese.

I just got a new job in Kyoto, and I currently live in Tokyo. I would say around 40% of the houses we applied to look at would not even let us see the properties because we are foreigners. That's 100% legal and totally ok to say here, and I take that in stride. In Australia (where I am from), they would either just tell you to piss off, or show you the property knowing you don't have a chance, so at least they are upfront about it here I guess. Getting a credit card is a massive ordeal, which you kinda need here because debit cards are increasingly hard to find, and they don't even work for all bills and systems, and getting a bank account ... it all just snowballs.

Also anything outside of the major cities is kinda dead. I love it, but living and thriving there in places that have more space that would probably promote having big families, is nearly impossible, or at least impossibly boring. This is not unique to Japan, Australia is largely the same outside of the main cities.

Not sure what the fix is. But annecdotally I see these articles all the time, and yet there are kids and younger families always around, so not sure if it is as serious as they are saying, or more media hype?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

I've always had this silly dream of running a large, wealthy tech company, and attempting a startup in Japan, not reliant on business with other Japanese companies, that promotes a healthier work culture, and then stuffs the high productivity results in the faces of other companies. As a stretch goal, it could even locate out in the burbs, with an investment in better infrastructure access.

Japan has so many great things about it, but the major points around banking, sexism, and seniority really twist the image.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Its hyped by FT and more economy driven outlets because it makes them nervous. The replacement rate of births was always enough to support retirement pension plans. Now it's not.

Japan is way ahead of the curve on this inevitable trend than other countries so it will be really interesting see how it adjusts and what markets are affected by this.

In terms of buying a house, is remote work really not a thing in Japan? Living in a remote village sounds lime a dream. Otherwise, are there no towns/villages where foreigners sort of band together and are allowed to buy property? Just curious about how Japan functions

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Clearly solid, factual, data there.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh no, not our out of control population growth fueled by resources running out as I type this comment and causing unspeakable damage to the biosphere of the planet.

Whatever will we do if our numbers fall below 7 billion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

I don't disagree, but the systems necessary to make this happen non-destructively just do not exist.

BTW, you may like the limits to growth study. https://archive.org/details/TheLimitsToGrowth

Although it is kind of a downer. In the 70s, they predicted the downfall of society. We're on track with the prediction, more or less.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why not just promote immigration. America seems to not have that problem

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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