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Swedish government wants a back door in signal for police and 'Säpo' (Swedish federation that checks for spies)

Let's say that this becomes a law and Signal decides to withdraw from Sweden as they clearly state that they won't implement a back door; would a citizen within the country still be able to use and access Signals services? Assuming that google play services probably would remove the Signal app within Sweden (which I also don't use)

I just want the government to go f*ck themselves, y'know?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Oh how quickly them western values collapse.

[–] [email protected] 213 points 3 months ago (7 children)

"Every house should break open a wall and build a door only to be used by the police whenever they want to. It will only be used for your protection ;)"

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 months ago (11 children)

As a sweed, I get really irritated at my country. We were also the ones who introduced chat control into the EU... I fear we're turning into the USA...

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Sweden… more like snitchden… amirite?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

How does this even make sense? The criminals would just move to another platform like SimpleX or use a VPN.

Whole article in English:

**The encrypted messaging app Signal is growing - now even the Swedish Armed Forces use it.

But the government wants to force the company to introduce a technical backdoor for the police and Säpo.

  • “If this becomes a reality, we will leave Sweden,” says Signal's CEO Meredith Whittaker, in an exclusive interview with SVT.

If the government gets its way, the bill will be passed in the Riksdag as early as March next year.

The bill states that companies such as Signal and Whatsapp will be forced to store all messages sent using the apps. Leaving Sweden

Signal - which is run by a non-profit foundation - has now told SVT Nyheter that the company will leave Sweden if the bill becomes reality.

  • “In practice, this means that we are being asked to break the encryption that is the basis of our entire business. Asking us to store data would undermine our entire architecture and we would never do that. We would rather leave the Swedish market completely,” says Signal's CEO Meredith Whittaker.

She says the bill would require Signal to install so-called backdoors in its software.

  • “If you create a vulnerability based on Swedish wishes, it would create a path to undermine our entire network. Therefore, we would never introduce these backdoors.

But don't you have a responsibility as a supplier to support anti-crime efforts?

  • Our responsibility is to provide technology that upholds human rights in an era where those rights are being violated in more and more places. In today's digital world, there are very few places where we can communicate privately or whistleblow. Armed forces critical

Whittaker cites the 2024 attack by the Chinese state actor Salt Typhoon on several internet service providers in the US, where text messages and phone calls were leaked. She argues that a Swedish backdoor would open up for the same thing.

  • “There are no backdoors that only the good guys have access to.”

The aim of the bill is to allow the Security Service and the police to request the message history of criminal suspects after the fact. Both authorities were positive in the consultation.

  • “The ability of law enforcement authorities to effectively access electronic communications is crucial,” said Minister of Justice Gunnar Strömmer (M) earlier at a press conference.

But the Swedish Armed Forces are opposed and recently urged their personnel to start using Signal to reduce the risk of interception.

In a letter to the government, the Swedish Armed Forces wrote that the bill could not be implemented “without introducing vulnerabilities and backdoors that could be exploited by third parties”.**

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

don’t kink shame

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I did not expect this from Sweden.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I'm sure there's some exterior influence.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Signal's american and their infrastructure's based on american Amazon, so there's that...
You could use a VPN i guess.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

They will probably just show message to Swedish ip addresses and state that they cannt provide you with the binary as you are using a Swedish ip.

Something very clear to say use a VPN 😉

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, probably not. They both speak the same protocol and talk to the same servers.

Unless the block was a app store distribution restriction only

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It probably is/was/will be just the app store.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if it's not Molly could implement Tor or any sort of bridge to bypass these restrictions (such as Signal themselves)

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Before any politician asks for a backdoor into an encrypted service they should be required to explain Project Rubicon

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Project Rubicon

You're talking about this project?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yes. The Wikipedia page is also a long list of wtf.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wherever a service with encryption exists any government in the world thinks they need to be the special child with the access to the contents.

E2E with privately generated and held keys, have you published your PGP public key yet?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wish PGP was easier to use. The barrier to entry is way too high for everyday use.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

E2E with privately generated and held keys, have you published your PGP public key yet?

Exactly. You can't stop secure encryption.

I remember in the very old days of the internet when only the US had strong encryption and thought it was some gotcha. They labeled it a weapon to prevent overseas export. Phil Zimmerman created PGP, lobbed the source into a book (protected under 1st amendment) then shipped it overseas.

If strong encryption exists and people want to use it, you're just not going to be able to stop them.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 months ago (6 children)

You can still download the APK from their repository, install it, and use signals built in censoring-evasion setting as far as I know.

They are even working on self updating app feature IIRC.

This is why I donate to signal. I know there are decentralized alternatives but I can barely get my family and friends to use Signal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I can barely get my family and friends to use Signal.

Years of lobbying ✊

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yup and months of premium instant 24/7 tech support to ensure the slightest thing doesn't return them to default apps in the beginning !

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I have gotten a few family members and friends to use signal as I stated to them that this is the only way to get ahold of me. Other than this, you won't. And because of me, they decided to do so :P some haven't, but its up to them to decide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I have gotten a few family members and friends to use signal as I stated to them that this is the only way to get ahold of me.

Same. It's the default app for everyone I'm close to.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Signal has done a very good job of making it easy to get started with the app. The alternatives (Matrix, Simplex, Briar etc.) are all more awkward.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

100% agree with you and I do the same.

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