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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is Jackson Park golf course, owned by Seattle Parks and Rec. It is one of the cheapest ways to play the game in all of Seattle.

It opened May 12, 1930. That's before the Interstate and the light rail.

There are plenty of places to shit on golf courses. This one is probably a miss. Without mixed use space, this area has been a heavy car use zone with low walkability. The section from the freeway north of the park is also a steep hill, reducing the accessibility of the area.

Additionally, the plans provided do not meet the requirements for development. Specifically, how are you going to get a fire truck to the six story buildings in the middle. Is there enough space for.emergeny services to maneuver and to keep a fire from jumping buildings.

Talk and MS Paint is cheap. Good urban planning in not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, so put a road or two through the middle for emergency access. The walk ability part is supposed to be solved by the light rail they mentioned.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Reminds me of AtomEve's situation in Invincible. Everyone think they are an architect till shit isn't engineered correctly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Michael Moore in one of his books suggested we repurpose golf courses into public housing. They tend to be in better school systems to begin with so there’s an added bonus.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

There isn’t any context on where this is, but:

  • there aren’t enough golf courses to really impact housing supply
  • parks and recreational facilities also serve a societal good assuming they’re accessible and serve the community as a whole
  • golf courses aren’t usually located along transit
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

1 and 3 are not good reasons not to try something like this. 2 feels like bad faith because this isn't either of those things, it's a golf course. Less than a quarter of golf courses in the US are freely open to the public, and a quarter of them are members only. That's thousands of golf courses that are taking up space/land and water and returning next to nothing of value to the community or the environment, or worse than nothing in many cases.

Source for numbers: https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/study-percentage-of-public-vs-private-courses-in-the-us/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sure I’m not arguing against, per se, more that it’s not enough to be worth worrying about.

Of the private golf course that are where people would want to live and where transit would be viable, that would not be better turned to more public parks and recreation, and where a locality can afford eminent domain, go for it. I’m sure there there are such projects. However I’m also convinced it would be a lot of work and expense for a vanishingly small percentage increase in housing supply.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

There are enough to reduce housing supply issues.

Private golf courses provide little to no benefit to anyone especially after we factor in the environmental costs.

Golf courses not being on pubic transit is the only part I agree with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Just as soon as somebody buys the LA and and develops it into affordable homes. Because I'm sure as hell never gonna be rich enough to fix a stupid golf course into something useful.

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