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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They also found that there's people over 200, so that default date thing doesn't really explain it all.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's because that explanation isn't correct. The real deal is you just have entries without a death date, so if you ran a query this get super old ages as a result.

Note that isn't a database of payments or even people eligible for them, just a listing of 'everyone' with a SSN. There is a separate master death index. In the old days, wild west kind of stuff people would disappear so the death date would never get entered. Modern days every morgue and funeral home has to legally notify SS when someone dies, there is a specific form and major hell to pay if you don't do it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Social Security numbers were first issued in 1937. You would have need someone to be over 110 in 1937 to have an age over 200. I think that it's a combination of birthdays entered wrong plus no official death date.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Wouldn't matter anyway the ss admin automatically stops pay and initiates audit for anything over 115.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Also a lot of people between 110 and 150, so I'm sure there is a larger answer.

However, Social Security cuts off at 115, and they supposedly found like 10 million people older than that. Considering there are only ~50m people on Social Security, and the database they were searching wasn't even about current recipients, most people would conclude that there is likely an error in data, rather than immediately jump to fraud. Of course, ketamine is a hell of a drug and Elon is not most people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's definitely still concerning if the database has a large number of errors. But systematic fraud would be much worse ofc.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

the database doesn't have to necessarily be accurate if there's other checks - a flag for test data, a system that checks the person is real against another database before dispersing funds etc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's true. Would be better if it was though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Someone with the skills and knowledge to clean up 150-year old typographical errors in one particular table in the Social Security database system would probably provide more benefit to the taxpayers covering their salary by doing some other task.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

tbf it's only embarrassing if you're capable of embarrassment.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

But but it's BREAKING! With a red light emoji!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The response is wrong. I remember reading an article that disproved it and explained the actual reason. However I forgot the actual reason.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

As someone who is working on a project of recreating an enterprise application in a modern tech stack, the legacy code is hard to understand too.

We have something similar in that a ClaimClosedDate is defaulted to 01/01/1900 and if it has that date it means it’s not closed whereas now that would be a nullable field.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago

Honestly, if you make it to 150 you deserve the money

[–] [email protected] 134 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Teenage programmers can understand legacy code. These ones didn't. Don't dis teen coders.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

How many teens you think can actually read and understand legacy languages like FORTRAN and COBOL? Let alone a complex codebase written in them?

I studied COBOL a bit in college and it's not exactly hard to read short snippets if you understand other languages, but good luck wrapping your head around anything remotely complex and actually understand what it is doing without having someone who understands the language. Hell, 15-20 years on and multiple languages later, my eyes still cross trying to read and grok COBOL. The people supporting those old code bases get paid well for a reason ...

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't know how many teenage programmers you have interacted with recently, but they are generally just learning the basics, learning core concepts, experimenting, etc...

There is a huge gap between making small, sometimes very cool and creative even, projects and understanding a giant legacy codebase in a language that is not taught anymore. I mean, even university grads often have trouble learning legacy code, much less in COBOL.

You wouldn't say your average teenage cook could make a gourmet meal for a house of 50 people 😅 not a dis, just they haven't had the time to get to greybeard level yet

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is why, if they heavily modified the code in such a short time and they couldn’t understand it: it proves there was a previous data breach and they’re just installing the pre-written patches… the smoking gun that i can’t explain to anyone

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

That makes way too much sense.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I can't wait for them to discover a bunch of people who are 9999 years old next.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the legacy world we just call it the HIGH_DATE constant.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

In my experience in the legacy world we have the isHighDate function which not only checks the constant, but also 5 other edge cases where the value isn't HIGH_DATE but should be treated as if it is.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago

More specifically, they didn't find anyone receiving social security who were 150 years old because they didn't prove that they were receiving anything as that's not the purpose of that database.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Jay Kuo is wirth worth following. I know people dislike substack, but a lot decent people publish there. Jay Kuo is good at breaking down the legal aspects of the mess we are seeing now

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll wait until it get reposted on a platform that isn't doing revenue sharing with Nazis. You know, like myLemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I share this sentiment, and I admit I am not entirly aware of the Substack situation tbh. The issue is that these people, often very good journalists need a platform that generates revenue for them. I am not American, but find that people like Kuo, Jennifer Rubin, Robert Reich and Joyce Vance give valuable insights on American politics, and "sound bites" that can be share. But they need lir financial support to do this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No one ever fucking lived to that age for fuck's sake!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

That's the"fraud" they supposedly found

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Methuselah would like a word

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In that case I think "year" means "lunar cycle". This makes a more natural age (80-something IIRC)

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 3 months ago (7 children)

In before Musk says "You think the government uses COBOL?!"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

He would dismiss COBOL and try to prove that he is a super cool geek with a deep knowledge of DnD and gaming culture. So more like:

"COBOL? Such a language doesn't even exist unless you think Kobolds are real! Hahaha"

[–] [email protected] 93 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the government uses COBOL. I know the government uses COBOL.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

It doesn't matter what I think or know, the government uses COBOL.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 3 months ago (4 children)

LMAO watch the US be saved by an inability of Muskys frat bois to understand COBOL

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

They'd probably just delete the Cobol code since "nobody would use that old stuff anyway".

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago

2016-2020 was the age of too stupid to break everything. Now we're staring down the barrel of "The files are in the computer?" But the entire US government is the computer.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I dont even program and i could've told them it was probably a placeholder or default value lol "durrrrrr lot of people in this database were born at the exact same time on the same day in the same year that predates electronic databases, gotta be fraud!!1!1!11"

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago

Also predates social security. It's the long con for sure.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago

More likely they nuke it due to that lack of understanding.

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