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Hi there, We removed Dark and Darker from sale on the Epic Games Store on March 5 in consideration of a court decision in Korea between Nexon and the game's publisher, IRONMACE. On November 1, 2025, we will be removing Dark and Darker from your library, at which point it will no longer be playable via the Epic Games Store.

Effective immediately, players can no longer purchase Redstone Shards or the Legendary Status upgrades via the Epic Games Store. Players can continue to use the Redstone Shards that they have previously purchased until November 1, 2025.

We will issue a refund to all players who have purchased the Legendary Status upgrade. Refunds will be issued to the player’s original payment method, and where that’s not possible, players will receive a refund to their Epic account balance. We are unable to provide refunds on Redstone Shards.

If you have not received a refund by July 1, please contact player support.

Thank you,
The Epic Games Store team

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I guess Nexon wasn't happy with $6 million because the court found Dark & Darker wasn't copyright infringement, but was an infringement of 'trade secrets'.

If I remember 2023 correctly, Nexon decided to cut the game at the end of development and dumpster their work. So the devs left and finished the game on their own. Since Nexon never actually made/finished/released the game they couldn't claim copyright.

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/dark-and-darker-developer-did-not-commit-copyright-infringement-court-rules-but-has-to-pay-nexon-nearly-usd6-million-anyway/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Sure do. They're on my disk and without DRM or removed DRM.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I mean to be fair, as the court determined, the people making this game stole parts of the game to sell to you in the first place, so this was piracy with more steps. I feel like the correct action would have been for the store to stop selling the game, the people that made money be forced to give that money to the people that were harmed by the steeling of the content. I guess it's a bad look on Epic for them too to keep money made from this and maybe they are just trying to avoid being drawn into this ordeal by doing it this way. Legal systems in other countries can be a bit more precarious than what we expect.

But yeah, it's a dark precedent. Remove them from my library so I can't redownload them from Epic? Never see updates? Maybe even not ever launch through Epic's app? Sure. I get that.

I really wish these stores had better simple language right in the "buy now" buttons. (Like, for example, "Rent now!")

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I'll give them props that they are going to refund owners for the bit they can, I would have expected most stores so to go "oh well! we have been ordered to remove it, sucks to be you."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's a multiplayer freemium game. Even if they let you keep your "copy" of it, servers will be down and the game will not be playable anyways. At least they offer a refund.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Two crimes, then.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Multiplayer online games used to allow you to self-host so there was no obligatory centralised server. The game need not be deleted, that was purely a business decision.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I remember when you could be a listen server or run your own dedicated server using the freely available executable. Been a while since I've seen anything like that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Lots of game still have that, Satisfactory, Minecraft, Valheim

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

The game would have gone offline eventually anyway. Most people get nothing when that inevitably happens. Some games flip to an offline only version, but that's very rare.

Hell, I bought single player offline games from the Play store for my phone, and they no longer seem to exist. RIP Rayman Jungle Run.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Steam has proven to be a far, far, far more capable and stable repository for my games that I could be ... since May 2006. I got Steam because that's how you bought Half Life 2.

Ya know what? I can still play Half Life 2. I've never had the slightest problem accessing any Steam game other than Ubisoft crap, and now I don't buy Ubi.

Add it up, man. That's 19 years of gaming. 151 games. And I have access to every bit of it, at my whim.
For some basic comparison, I have a couple digital pictures that old. A handful. And its shocking that I managed to keep track of them that long. An accident, really.
Steam does the job of safeguarding my games much better than I can.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hate to think what will happen when Gaben retires.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Sure, that is the alternative, but nothing will beat the wide range of functionality that steam and valve provide. The death of this platform would be catastrophic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This isn't exclusive to epic. Steam has had games removed as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

19 years. And the only bad part was Ubi. That's it.
Honestly, with a record like that, why would I care that Steam has had games removed?
And, it occurs to me, in 19 years, how could they not have had games removed?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I can only think of the Digital Homicide library having been removed, but if you already purchased those, you have them. Those games were absolute shovelware with no artistic or entertainment value though.

I'm more pissed about the Unreal franchise being pulled, which was entirely on Epic. Fuck Tim Sweeney.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then why the outrage from this news story then?

I also boycott epic. Steam is the way. But for reasons that steam is different to epic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I like Steam enough that I haven't bothered with any other platform.
I do hear good things about those other platforms, (maybe they are cheaper, and maybe they support old games better?) But all my games are in one spot on steam, and its simpler for me to keep it that way.

It does seem that there are people really outraged by the news story. I don't entirely understand, other than people like to get upset about things. Being outraged is engaging and takes your mind off of whatever else is bothering you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

You own things you buy.

This is theft.

Anyone rolling their eyes and performing apologism can fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My opinion is once I've paid for a game, piracy is on the table for that game if anything happens that prevents me from playing the copy I purchased.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

This is a multiplayer freemium game though, I don't think there are any cracked servers for it, and supposedly there are options for Epic users to retain their accounts with things they've bought (the game is also apparently kind of p2w).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not just your opinion, it's the law in some places.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

UK law allows for making and duplication of digital copies of a product you own that version of, provided you don't share them with others.

At least it did 15 years ago, not 100% certain today off the top of my head.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Every place that actually gives a shit about property rights.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago
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