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I had two BlackBerry devices for work, right about the time they were going away. I'd heard the keyboard was good on earlier models but it seemed like the quality had gotten pretty cheap on the later phones. The BlackBerry 10 OS on my last phone was actually pretty good, and probably would've kept them in the market if they'd launched it 5 years earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My 2001-era Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 PDA had the best slide out keyboard ever made, nothing has come close at all. A CF wifi card brought it so close to being a smart phone before there were smart phones.

I would buy it today as a phone if they'd just remake the original with an updated linux with QT equivalent option and updated screen hardware.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

remember some of the older phones had a sliding keyboard from under the phone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hopefully that means somebody other than Unihertz will make a keyboard phone.

I don’t need it to be super high end, I’d just rather not own a Chinese made phone with all the data they send back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's the FXtech Pro-1, with a slide out keyboard, apparently the hinge is very good.

But it's pretty ancient by now and there's still no successor... I doubt it sold well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I loved my BB Bold 9000, but the physical keyboard did reduce the screen size to a rather small form factor compared to modern phones. And I dare say that swyping is faster and just as accurate, so even if there would be new phones coming out with hardware keyboards of the same quality as old BlackBerry's, I doubt I would switch back.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I miss phone keyboards so much. I wish I still had a slide out keyboard

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

With all the craze to make phones super thin, soon they'll be so thin you could add a sliding keyboard on it, and it'll be thinner than phones of a year or two ago!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I loved my N900. Think it would be doable right now with that thickness.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They were so fantastic for gaming. I could actually see what was happening on the screen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My HTC Desire Z (aka T-Mobile G2) got many years of extra use as a dedicated emulation machine for exactly that reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

In mine, the keys stopped working reliably, but it was still my favourite Android phone so far

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope we see more keyboard phones. I'd buy an iPhone with a keyboard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look up clicks keyboard. Might be the closest you'll get

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah I've considered it. But it's just so loong.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have a Unihertz Titan and love it. I guess they skirted around the keyboard patent. https://www.unihertz.com/products/titan

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It's not three straight rows of keys with the other buttons on a fourth row at the bottom. That's what BB had a design patent for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Very nice, I didn't know this existed. Looks very blackberry-esque.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can someone explain how something as generic as a keyboard can be a subject to patents?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

TL:DR patents are important, but easily abused.

Yes, I'll try.

Patents can cover many aspects of design. Sometimes, these aspects are positive and deserve protection for the original inventors. Other times, the claims could be so obscure and 'thats obvious to anyone' that it's a waste to protect them - but (sometimes ignorant) patent attorneys fail to do their research and award patents anyway.

It could be that the keyboard being below the screen in that form factor was considered novel. It could be the trackball used in the centre. It could be the two combined, then attached to a phone. It could be the shaping and ergonomic aspect of the keyboard. It could be raises or detents to aid location of keys for fast typing on a handheld device.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

So for 20 years, it wasn't possible for anyone but BlackBerry to manufacture phones with the revolutionary technology of... checks notes... keyboards, and now that it is irrelevant to modern devices, is free for anyone to use.

Patents should be abolished.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Patents should be abolished.

I disagree.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

BB being able to protect itself from the big players is actually a success story of patents. The 800 lb gorilla's of the industry never made as good of a keyboard, but if they could have copied BB's superior design, they would have stomped them in a heartbeat.

There's a lot of shit about what happens for a dying company and selling patents and so forth that absolutely is scummy. Serious discussion needs to happen there, but calling for them to be abolished? That's just naive.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Checks notes, that's not what happened, no. Tons of phones had/have keyboards.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Palm had front keyboards

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Nokia had quite a few, the E-line (e.g E6, E63, E71) being some of the most "blackberry" looking ones.

BB didn't have a patent on the idea of a keyboard on a phone, but they did (do?) have a design patent for one of the most optimal layouts and dancing around it was tricky and risky. Or you can just be Typo, directly rip off a BB keyboard, and act surprised when you get sued.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone earlier mentioned, unihertz has a few models with physical keyboards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

i looked into those myself. it's worth knowing that they're several Android updates behind, so the devices could be less secure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I had an old htc vertical folder with a leather cased keyboard. If I had a version of that with modern hardware, that would be my jam.

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