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Your thinly veiled bigotry is still just bigotry, despite hiding it behind a strawman

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I never understood this whole thing anyway. The whole reason womens sports exist separately from mens sports in the first place is because women can't (usually) compete with the men. If there was a female athlete playing basketball for example that was way better than any other female player in the sport and that woman was able to be successfully competitive in the mens league in my eyes she should just compete with the men. If she cant really compete in the mens league she should play with the women. To my understanding there's nothing stopping a female athlete from being in the 'mens' league if she were good enough. This doesn't even have to be about gender. It just feels like you could look at every situation on a case by case basis and make a common sense determination based upon what works best for that particular athlete. I hate that this has become a stupid argument.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ten female athletes is easy. 10 currently active professional athletes would be much harder

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

10 currently active trans women athletes that have gold medals. Make it impossible for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can obly think of one transwoman with gold medals and that's Caitlyn Jenner

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was won when Caitlyn was Bruce so did they really win it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yes they did win it but not in competition as a woman.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago

Why do I have to care about sports in order to care about trans folks who care about sports?

Do I have to care about every last hobby or fandom before I can weigh in on the justice of whether black people or gay people or poor people should be allowed to participate?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Name 10 women? USA soccer team! There, I just named at least 11, I don't know their names one by one, but that doesn't mean I don't admire them and like how they play. So, can I now give my opinion on the matter? I would like to see sport categories based on testosterone levels instead of gender.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Make it a requirement that they are currently active. Pretty unfair if they are naming Mia Hamm, Tonya Harding, and Billy Jean King. Pretty hilarious if they name Caitlyn Jenner.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If we count retired athletes and Olympic sports then I can just barely get there:

  • Venus Williams
  • Serena Williams
  • Anna Kournikova
  • Kerri Strug
  • Nancy Kerrigan
  • Tonya Harding
  • Michele Kwan
  • Simone Biles
  • Katie Ledecky
  • Caitlin Clark

So now I get to talk about trans women in sports!

Um... yeah. I don't know. Whatever the solution is, I think it should be handled with empathy and respect for trans rights.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I honestly just know 4 of those. Hmmm

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't follow sports at all and am not from the USA but I only know Serena Williams.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Venus is her sister

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't know Kerrigan, the Queen of the Blades?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No, I have never heard of her.

Queen of the blades? That sounds like some B list super hero or villain, lol.

P.S. after reading the list again, I also recognized Anna. I believe that she is/was a chess player.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That sounds like some B list super hero or villain, lol.

Close. She's a villanous character from the video game Starcraft. Her title "Queen of the Blades" never made sense to me, until I learnt she was named after the figure skater.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Which four?

The Williams sisters are obvious.

Kournikova, Strug, Kerrigan, and Harding I know just from having grown up in America in the 90s. They were all very famous for very, very different reasons.

Clark is super famous right now, as is Biles. Biles is more famous by me because she's from my home city. Ledecky I know because my family follows Olympic swimming. Kwan's name just stuck in my brain for some reason.

If I had to think of an eleventh athlete, it'd take me a while. There's another gymnast I could come up with, I'm sure. That really old one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

For me it was Williams, kurnikova and biles.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Oh shit, that's much better at getting to the point than asking "So if Lia Thomas had an unfair advantage, you'll be all on board for confiscating the medals of the people who beat her until we can get an investigation going?"

Heck the only female athletes I can name are the transwomen who keep getting involved in these debacles, The Venus Sisters, and the female fake jock to Elon's male fake nerd herself, Rhonda Rousey, aka the second worst voice actor that Mortal Kombat has ever had.

Seriously Megan Fox, I know you're better than this, how the fuck did you manage to sound like someone reading off a card when you're voicing a blood-addicted killer vampire with big beautiful wings? For the love of fuck, why can't you have fun with this like John Cena did? I mean even Not-Anthony voicing Homelander seems to be enjoying himself even though he keeps turning his Homelander impression into a Jack Nicholson on certain lines for some fucking reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

If it includes retired/dead sports people, then I could do 10 males and females. But currently active....no on both.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

10? That's an overkill. I bet they can't even name 2.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No good. They might think of Venus and Serena Williams.

10 is safer to make the point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yes, sadly these are the sort of people that would name 2, because you said 2,and claim victory, missing the whole point

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

10 athletes? Shit, I bet they wouldn't even be able to name ten teams.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yep, people should stop making bullshit arguments about things they don't give shits about, there's no need to discuss sports if you don't care about sports (like me) just like there's no need to discuss computers if you don't care about computers

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

While we're at it, the abortion debate should be settled by people who can actually get abortions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

We'll soon know if trans people in sport are a real problem or a made up problem - if there's anything to it, the next Chinese Olympics team will be 90% trans people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The only athletes I can name are professional athletes in the major leagues of football, basketball, and soccer. Some are retired by now, I'm sure. Olympic athletes and athletes in any other sport or league are unknown to me unless they make the news for some non-athletic reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

i can name 3 atheles, and i'm not even sure of the 3rd one

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago
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