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The White House now claims Elon Musk is not leading DOGE, despite Trump previously stating Musk was in charge of the task force cutting $2 trillion in federal spending.

A court filing says Musk is only a senior adviser without formal decision-making authority. However, Musk’s tweets and Trump’s remarks suggest he has been directing DOGE’s activities.

The revelation raises legal concerns, as lawsuits argue DOGE violates the Appointments Clause by bypassing Senate confirmation.

A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 days ago (6 children)

You lost me at "White House claims." Gonna need a reputable source, please.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I would say that usually the courts see through thinly veiled attempts to put up a fake separation between decision makers and their positions. But lately I'm not sure of anything.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago

"Musk leads DOGE"

"...that's illegal."

"No, no, no musk doesn't lead DOGE, he advises. Someone else leads it."

"...so you bypassed the Senate, also illegal..."

"No, no, you don't get it. Jesus takes the wheel here. It's God that runs it! You don't hate God do you!?"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Don't look at the man behind the curtains!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Precisely the first reference that popped into my head 🤣

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Sounds like it would be more efficient if it didnt exist then?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

ooh, President Husk ain't gonna be happy to hear that sass from lil humpty

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

America regressing into a banana republic

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I suspect one of two things are happening, or maybe a mix of both:

  1. Trump doesn't like the insinutations that he himself isn't in control.

  2. Musk's public image issues are now affecting the bottom lines of his companies.

These things are direct results of both men being complete imbeciles. Nothing more to see here.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

It's Schrödinger's control: for the purpose of having executive authority over the project 2025 policy agenda he is in control, except when doing so is illegal in which case he isn't. The status depends on who's looking, as it is always exactly the status that evades accountability.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)
  1. They are purposefully sowing more confusion. All the chaos being a smokescreen to hide the obvious fact that they have both hands in the public coffers and are grabbing what they can.
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that's it, they're flooding the zone with horseshit.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Tell all of your wealthy friends that Musk/Trump has all of their social security, address, work history, salaray history, etc. in their hands, right now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Wealthy friends lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The current argument is "you give your SSN, address, salary etc to the bank, your employer, the DMV, etc. They all want something from you. The world's richest man doesn't need your money, so why are you afraid of giving him all your information?"

It's basically "if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide" but with your identity and life savings and social security.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Billionaires don't become billionaires by being good people, but they would respond to that idea with some horse crap about the American Dream™

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Billionaires don’t become billionaires by being good people

And some millionaires. Musk and trump now have all the info on them to blackmail with. He's a mob boss in real estate and casinos, of course he's going to blackmail them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Done. Whew, that took NaN time out of my day!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I live in Seattle. You can't throw a rock without hitting one. I sometimes forget what a bubble it is.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 4 days ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, he's a very unreliable source.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Another day in the minefield, another lie is sold

[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wow I can't believe Trump would just lie like that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It wasn't a lie. Just an alternative fact.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Another day in Trump’s life.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"The day Donald Trump came to your village and lied to you was a Tuesday. For Donald Trump it was also a Tuesday."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But he told you it was Wednesday and you believed him

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.

Best we will get is a superficial ruling that says he can't do it while he continues to do it and there will be absolutely zero consequences nor will all of the people who he fucked receive any form of justice.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Depends on how far Judge Tanya Chutkan is willing to go see her order(s) enforced. She famously has no love for Trump and his law breaking. Even so any ruling negative to Trump will probably get appealed to the Supremely Corrupt Court and get overturned.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

A dodgy organisation if I ever saw one.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

All right, who's making the decisions then?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

Elon, they're lying.

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[–] [email protected] 148 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"I'm not the head of the department, it's just an empty shell company with a puppethead that follows my every whim."

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This is unironically functionally the same as how 'Sovereign Citizens' attempt to escape legal liability.

You see, you're suing a legal entity that isn't me.

But also, I can act with, as, and through my legal entity.

But also also, I'm not actually responsible for anything bad I do, because my legal entity did that, not me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

The sad state of our laws are such that they could set up a S-Corp or C-Corp and act in official capacity of that corporation literally get away with murder.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

~ President of the United States, 2025

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I wonder if it's possible to play to their egos and sow discord by continuing to call them President Musk and Mr. Trump.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Pretty sure Stephen King just got booted from Twitter for calling trump the first lady. That's what a coworker told me, anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every reporter who asks trump a question should follow it up with "and what does Elon musk think about that?"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure they're making enough money/deals to not care about such things.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

You might think so but I'm not convinced. They're both clearly not well adjusted individuals. If anything I think the pettiness gets to them more than your average person.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

First boyfriend "the Donny" Trump

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago

Good leaders dont sow chaos and confusion

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