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The Munich Security Conference report warns that Trump’s proposed territorial acquisitions, including Greenland, Panama, and Canada, have damaged the U.S.'s global standing, making it seen as a risk rather than a stabilizing force.

The report highlights the decline of U.S.-led global leadership amid a shift toward a multipolar world, with China and Russia expanding influence.

European leaders will press U.S. officials on NATO commitments and Ukraine support.

Survey data shows U.S. risks are now perceived as greater than Russia’s in many G7 nations.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Dear Europe,

Please take us seriously as a threat and invade us and liberate us and adopt us as your wayward bastard child so this can be over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Invite the Red Coats back so they can press reset.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

France, take us back. I don't care that I would have to learn the language and even then the francos would make fun of my pronunciation but not fucking England. Germany or Spain also works.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We really can't - your oligarchs and other fascists have nukes. This one you'll have to figure out internally, or we are all screwed. :(

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Please nuke us into oblivion 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The whole American hole freeway... A large 4 Lane freeway extending the 5fwy all the way down to Patagonia. Its 500ft underground so Mexico and the other Mexican nations wouldn't be bothered. If they are bothered, they are more than welcome to try fill the hole with precious water....tunnel warfare!

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I hope the other countries and their people see the US blowing its legs off and take a moment to reflect if right wing reactionaries really are right for them.

Edit: West Europeans, I'm specifically calling you out. I've spoken with my share of right-curious Euros who insist that it is / will be different for them. No it fucking won't. We're your ghost of Christmas future. I hope that all that immigration reform stuff is still worth it when the alt-right sells your rights and benefits off to the billionaires for scrap.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's sort of what happened last time. Then the people behind the propaganda begun trying to make it global because they realized how easy it was to tell that shit was hitting the fan from the outside. Not sure what will happen this time, it's not like one can easily tell how many have entrapped themselves in one of their bubbles.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Ghost of Christmas past, too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

100% agreed. Fuck populists with a rusty rebar.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Canadians, even as their country is directly threatened with economic ruin and annexation, and even as they watch the USA going downhill rapidly under fascism, are about to elect a guy who bases his whole new-found "tough guy" schtick on Trump, and who has courted the support of neo-Nazis. Ontario is about to re-elect the guy who has been dismantling public health, education and transport in favour of profitable deals for his cronies, even after he has been dismantling the province for years already. I really hope Candians see what's happening next door and think twice, but I have little faith in electorates making smart decisions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

We have to tell those who want to vote conservative not to. Carny is coming up. It's not over yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's fucking wild to watch the Americans fuck everything up through fascism and seeing most Canadians say the same shit the Americans were saying 4 months ago about all parties being the same and that they can't vote for the "secretly corrupt" center party and that they're voting for the overtly corrupt alt-right conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's even crazier given that Canada, unlike the USA, has a viable third party in the NDP, which sits to the left of the Liberals and has some actual policies that would help people. Yet for some reason when people are being screwed by billionaires and their corporations, and by Conservative provincial governments, and even as they watch the collapse of the USA under fascism, they still turn to the right instead of the left. Do people just have no idea what Conservatives are about?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I can't believe that the NDP get labeled as fiscally irresponsible for supporting increasing our healthcare and our standard of living, something that is PROVEN to be cheaper than a private market solution for healthcare and standard of living.

The conservatives have the reputation as the fiscally responsible ones. Our provincial conservatives just spent 660 million dollars, to get 24s of beer into grocery stores a year before the exclusive contract with the beer store expired. That's $50 per Ontario resident. How is that responsible?!?!?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Hope might not have the best standing at the moment, but I'm right there with you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Like it was not a risk before. People just didn't want to see the obvious.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

After decades long alliannce-building, the US don't seem to value them anymore. It's a strange phenomenon where someone works so hard for such a long time, only to throw it all away some day. Trump frames it all as if the US is being taken advantage of. The truth is that the US gets tremendous benefits from it's central position of power. If the US breaks away from their alliances, they risk the tides turning against them. If the US is being taken advantage of by appararently all others countries in the world, isn't it remarkable how it's doing so well economically? That normal folks aren't doing well is not a consequence of the economy as a whole not doing well, because by comparison it's doing phenomenal. It's because all the money goes to companies and shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

current usa leadership are as much americans as nazis were german. They are, but in such rotten way its like saying cancer is part of you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

It could also be the Elon musk effect.

"Why have three fasteners. Why not two?"

In the same regard they are pushing their allies till one of them breaks. Then they know that's the point to stop where they get maximum benefit

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

After decades long alliance-building, the US don't seem to value them anymore.

That's because everyone who was on the same page about this was slowly supplanted by Tea Partiers with no understanding of how power systems work. Their only reference is the propaganda that wasn't meant for the elites, but the previous generation of elites didn't tell anyone else because name one elite who shares with competition.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The previous generation of non-elite* who lived through it didn't tell their children either. The flower children sold out. This has been going on since Operation Paperclip.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think it's a lot more malicious than a neglect of institutional knowledge.

The people are suffering economic anxiety, Trump points at as the cause of their economic woes, and builds popular support for some stupid land grab that trades the country's soft power for some quick corporate profits. By the time the long-term damage sets in, they are off to the next grift a few hundred billion dollars richer. Tale as old as time...

They know the damage they are causing--they just don't care.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

"Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven" is not the best ideology for the general wellbeing if the population.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

It's even more malicious than that: the erosion of US soft power is good for Russia, and Trump is a Russian asset

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At this point, wouldn't it be safer for NATO to be working to kick the USA out? There are plenty (I don't know exact numbers) of military bases in Europe that contain US soldiers. Not only does that seem like an insane security risk at this point, but it delays any help coming the way of Canada and Greenland if the US invades.

I realize some people might be scared of escalation, but Trump is already escalating and I don't think shoving our head in the sand and hope he is bluffing is a smart move.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The US is not just a member of NATO, they are a member that surpass the remaining members (taken collectively) in every regard. Its not just the equipment or manpower lost but the ability to launch a military intervention around most of the globe, something the US, and only the US can do with combined arms. We also lose most of our effective and experienced leadership, technical capabilities like spy satellites and GPS.

If the US want to invade Europe, they can do so while mostly being sure that we (EU) can't effectively shoot back, with or without the bases on our soil, like it's not even close.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Yes, you are right but your also wrong. The EU can and would fight back. It would not be an even fight, we would lose badly but it will be fought. And the US will get kicked the fuck out eventually. Because if history has proven anything then it is that the US can't hold on territory because it loses its will to fight each and every time. The problem is, the US likes winning. It just doesn't have the faintest idea what to do after.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All that is more reason to try to gain military independence from the USA, not really a good justification to let them hang out in our territory while threatening our allies.

And no matter how mighty their military might be, having military presence in our territory is still a massive advantage. I mean, look how Vietnam and Afghanistan went for them despite their might; they are not an unstoppable force. Why make it easier for them in the ever increasing chance of a war?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Because there's nothing to be gained and everything to be lost from the US leaving NATO.

Yes, there are good reasons to develop an EU army with the same capabilities as the US but realistically speaking that's decades away if we could start today but we're not even discussing it seriously. In the meantime making any decision furthering the US from NATO gives no advantage to Europe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine working alongside the native army and then one day being told that those who are essentially your coworkers are now the enemy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Probably one of the many things that will be his downfall if he stays this course. Telling the military to fight people who have been very close allies for so long will not go over well.

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