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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Mailbox.org

Mailbox Standard compared to ProtonMail Plus:

  • Cheaper (€30/yr vs ~€50/yr; if you don't need custom domains, €1/mo)
  • More aliases (25 on mailbox, 50 on own domain. Proton has 10 TOTAL - why custom domain aliases are counted against Proton ones does not make sense to me.)
  • Support for any number of custom domains AFAICT (Proton Plus supports only one)
  • Trial account is not allowed to send emails, so fewer issues with services blacklisting proton.me and protonmail.com for spam (hasn't happened to me, but I have heard of some cases)
  • Can use a regular email client (security tradeoff for E2EE messages - but there already were plenty of discussions on whether E2EE has benefits, especially sending mail to other services)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Dovecot + Postfix + SpamExperts

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

protonmail, tuta or guerillamail. i'm using proton, it is great, even the free version

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My problem is the whole change of address thing. Unfortunately google had perfect timing when they offered a decent amount of storage. It was early enough that changing email was no big deal and late enough that soon it would be. I very much don't like this because if google like just went dark all of a sudden it would be a bad day. Yeah I know its unlikely to the xtreme but still. I know privacy people do not like this idea but I really would like the government to run an email where all citizens are guaranteed one. To me this would make it much easier to have an official one and other emails. I don't get why folks are ok with corporations doing it and trust that they will use safeguards but don't trust the government would. The US postal service is a good example. Laws were well made to protect mail to the point where one way of safeguarding things from police searches was to put it in a stamped envelope. Man I wish our current society and government would be doing things like that again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you're willing to pay money for it, you can get your own domain for $2-$15 per year, then use it with pretty much any commercial email service. That way you can change email providers without changing your address.

This is my plan going forward. I'm going to suffer the inconvenience of changing my address, but only one more time, not every time I want to change providers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

yeah but so thats the thing. that service still is the one running your email and its likely you are going to get more issues with it being blocked just from being an little used domain. unless you run your own server and deal with the mx records and such.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

In my experience, this is more a problem if you are fully running your own mail servers, not so much if you are using an established email service. My MX record reflects my email provider, and my outgoing mail goes through their servers. So I'm as trusted as they are, in general. Your mail provider should have instructions on how to set up DNS for verification.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's a little confused. From what I remember, it's the server that matters, not the domain when being blocked. If you self-host this is a problem, but not if you use your own domain on a commercial service.

The "MX records and such" are all a function of domain management. You'll have to do this whether or not you self-host.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Some TLDs that are well known for spam get blocked. If you stick with a .com, you will usually be fine if you are using a decent mail server.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I mean at least initially with things like nightmare host (im making a joke im not sure if dreamhost is still around) you did not need to mess with the mx records if you just went with their built in. We definately had some issues with email getting marked spam or blocked but admitadely that could have been from the services source servers having to much spam coming from it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I use Migadu with my own domain

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Can you share more info about it? Why did you choose it, any pros or cons? It's the first time I've heard of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I like that Migadu gives you a ton of control over your email experience. You can create unlimited users, have unlimited domains, create unlimited aliases, sending identities, they have custom routing features, etc. The backend/management panel seems like it was made with techies in mind. The actual email users don't have to worry about any of those knobs though.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

I'm actually busy setting up my own mail server. On my own infrastructure, using public static IPs etc. I'm done with all these other mail providers. I'm going back to the start.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

How about Tuta mail with a custom domain? They have unlimited custom domain addresses which is pretty nice

[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 days ago (6 children)

A couple months ago, I would have said Proton. But....

Here we are.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I switched to Proton about 6 months ago.

Wish I had waited. Ah well.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Domains are cheap, buy one and then you can jump between whatever services aren't caught up in the outrage of the moment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I did, but I already paid for two years (plus did a bunch of work to migrate files over). So I'll be here for a bit.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Did you miss when its founder sided with Republicans (the current ones, mind you) or are you ok with it?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

disroot and autistici have been providing decentralised communication services (like email) free of cost for many years. They are both run by activists and survive on donations, and they don't spy on you or get any money from your data. Also they run freedom-respecting software, so all their code is publicly auditable.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

purelymail, or if one guy running email by himself makes you feel uncomfortable, migadu

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Migadu is like two guys running email? 😂 no 2FA support

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

two guys running email?

Is it? I can't tell from the about me. It says "In 2014, two of us, Michael Bruderer and Dejan Strbac, started...", but nothing else on the page talks about the size of the company. It started as two people, but is it currently two people? Anyone know?

no 2FA support

The webmail client does have 2FA, but when connecting via client there is no 2FA. Although, not sure what this would look like. Would you enter a TOTP every time you want to connect to the IMAP server? Or do you mean more like an OAuth2 flow, like Gmail, and that asks for your TOTP?

I actually haven't gotten around to playing with purelymail. Not sure if they handle this differently. What service are you thinking about?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Imap doesnt support 2fa.

IMAP protocol as well email clients do not support second factor authentication for the mailboxes. Even if they did, IMAP connections are made way too often which would make authentication unusable. Imagine needing to enter your TOTP token every few minutes. We could enable 2FA on the webmail, but IMAP/POP/SMTP accesses remain unprotected which beats the purpose. We are working on solution here which will allow sand-boxing a username/password pair to a webmail use only. We do offer so called App-specific passwords via mailbox identities though. These are commonly touted by email providers as 2FA. They are not.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Besides the lack of custom domain support Posteo is cheap and great. Stellar support team.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ahh, so it’s gotta be @posteo.de ?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Nice, can get posteo.us… Posteous!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I have also been very content with Posteo.

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