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I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them. That makes me think they are in some sort of death cult. That they found socially acceptable way to love violence.

I would still get one for safety but it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

They can serve a good purpose but they are fundamentally grim tools of pain and suffering. They shouldn’t be celebrated and glorified in their own right, that is sick. They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I guess I’m the opposite then - I love guns, yet I probably wouldn’t get one even if I could. I definitely wouldn’t carry one. It’s too easy to make hasty, irreversible decisions with a firearm.

Carrying a gun means that every altercation has the potential to become life-threatening. I wouldn’t want to end up in a brawl while armed and risk having my own weapon used against me if I got overpowered. That’s something cops, for example, have to constantly be aware of.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

They're tools designed specifically for killing, not just for killing humans.

The people who take umbrage at that distinction are an actual problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (5 children)

It's sad to see this is an unpopular opinion (context from the community rules: if you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Have I disturbed the peace of this community

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I had a rabid raccoon on my farm a little while ago. What do you suggest is the best way to handle that situation?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Kill the poor thing quickly and painless.

But you do not need an assault rifle with incendiary ammunition for that. You just use a tool for the job. You do not glaze over your remington or what have you.

You use it and then close it up. Nice. It has served for something beneficial. Once in a blue moon

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Do you hate guns and believe they are designed from the ground up to kill? Or do you think it's a beneficial tool that has its uses? You're giving me mixed messages here with the title of your post. It's okay to dislike gun culture and also think guns have their uses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I hate guns because they are there just to kill things. I do not take pleasure in killing things. I would still own a gun if I had to

It’s simple as that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

I don't take pleasure in euthanizing animals either. Its expected to hate killing but it's not the gun's fault that these jobs need to be done.

Do you hate archery as a sport? Because those things were invented and designed purely for killing people too.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I didn't use an assualt rifle or incendiary ammunition. How do you suggest I kill it quickly and painless while protecting myself from a possible bite?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m sure if he asks politely it’ll just keel over dead for him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Funny, the first one I had did that. It came out in broad daylight and keeled over on the front yard before I had time to grab the gun.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (2 children)

it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

This isn’t true. I live in a country with sensible gun control laws and live on a rural property with 10 acres of forest. We have a small rifle to protect the wildlife against rabies or to put down an injured animal.

The US conversation around guns is toxic.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago (13 children)

This seems like a very urban viewpoint. There are still places in the world and in the US in particular where a firearm is tool for safety that has nothing to do with other humans.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Not to mention hunting is a thing.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I, on the other hand, am fascinated not just by guns but by weapons (and other military technology) from throughout history. Weapons, as products of human ingenuity, are unusual in the sense that they function in direct opposition to the ingenuity of other humans. It's a very high-stakes competition.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them.

Agreed.

I would still get one for safety ...

Firearms decrease your safety in any but the most dire situation. Unfortunately, those situations are nigh impossible to predict. This means that carrying a firearm incurs some additional risk right now as insurance against a future potential very large risk.

They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

Also agreed.

You might be suffering under a variation on the toupee fallacy, and some confirmation bias. You're not going to hear a whole lot from responsible gun owners, because those people have an understanding of the risk and responsibility they are taking on, and part of taking that responsibility and mitigating that risk is not crowing like a knob about your guns.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Firearms decrease your safety in any but the most dire situation

This doesn’t have to be the case. Guns can be safe with proper regulation and enforcement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

You're missing my point.

Any situation where a loaded and functional firearm is present is necessarily less safe than one without it except in the most dire circumstances.

In such a dire circumstance, your having a firearm can - not will, but can - ward off, injure, or kill someone or something that presents a serious and imminent danger to you. But by and large, almost all situations don't present that kind of serious and imminent danger.

In the absence of that kind of danger, a firearm being present introduces some increased risk (decreased safety).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

The proper regulations are removing firearms from situations, not making the guns themselves safer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Pretty popular opion though, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Really popular everywhere except the US AFAIK

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

i own a gun whose sole purpose of being manufactured was to kill himans - it is a war rifle.

i have killed as many things with it as i want to: zero.

i am not a gun nut, but i do enjoy the history of it. i learned a lot about yugoslavia just because i was curious about the time period it came from.

i agree that some guns are created with the sole purpose of killing people... i just dont feel like killing people with it. never have, never will (its not for protection, etc.. its for history)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They are helpful as someone who sometimes needs to cull animals,

Apart from that I see them more as a symbol of power. I would never go to a protest with a loaded gun, but carrying a gun while protesting facism shows we are serious, we have power.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Many are actually engineered to take the lives of animals, when you factor in the design of a hunting rifle and its hunting ammo. Those designs allow for the hunter to fill their freezer with high quality meat for far less cost than it could be purchased.

Pistols are generally designed for killing people though. Pistols are used more often in any kinds of homicide than any other type of firearm, yet strangely enough most modern gun control legislation tends to be focused on rifles.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They are engineered from the ground up to take lives ~~of other people~~.

I have no love for guns, but hunting for food is the reason humans created weapons in the first place. To your point, I’m pretty sure slaughterhouses aren’t using fully automatic rifles on the killing floor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

i prefer to call them what they are 'human killing devices'.

for example; its ludicrous that american police are armed unnecessarily with human killing devices their entire shifts. it just demonstrates their cowardice and incompetence with regards to policing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I’ve always looked at them from a utility/engineering/sport perspective. I have no intent of ever carrying a weapon, but the training it takes to learn how to target practice, and the engineering that goes into them are incredibly fascinating.

I don’t encourage people to own guns and I don’t have any myself, but I really wish target practice didn’t have to share a platform with a killing machine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

You can target practice with air guns. Some can still kill, but it's what Olympians use in their target sport.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

For sure, they are fun to learn and to use. I’ve done safety training and target shooting several times and briefly considered taking it up as a hobby. However the nearest gun club didn’t offer lockers or rentals, and there was no way a weapon was going to be in my house

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