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I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them. That makes me think they are in some sort of death cult. That they found socially acceptable way to love violence.

I would still get one for safety but it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

They can serve a good purpose but they are fundamentally grim tools of pain and suffering. They shouldn’t be celebrated and glorified in their own right, that is sick. They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I hate why they exist. I like how they represent a mastery of engineering, material science, chemistry, and physics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I am very leftist and somewhat split.

Modern guns are an engineering marvel and I can understand if someone is fascinated in the precision and engineering knowledge needed to construct them - the same way some people are fascinated by mechanical watches, steam engines, etc.

They are also a necessary tool for some jobs - I can worked alongside these and in theory am trained to handle one(but haven't had a gun in my hand for 15 years if you don't count two instances I had to take it from a patient before law enforcement arrived). So I am very happy that the people who need to have it have modern,safe, versatile and easy to handle guns at their disposal. And I want these people to have the best training,the best equipment and the best recruitment and background check possible.

This brings me to another point: I am sternly against people using "shooting" (large calibers) as a hobby and the whole gun culture around it - we see in the US this can easily become a purpose on it's own and the detrimental effects it has on everything, from mental health care,policing, emergency medicine to the political culture, even influencing their neighbours negatively.

Go for small calibers all you want, no problems with that. But there is no reason an average private citizen needs a 9mm or a AR15 (even with manual fire)as a hobby or for self defence here. (There might be some very rare cases when people are under so much threat for their life that it is different - but these are really rare and tbh should require the same amount of training a professional carrier needs)

Hunting is a bit different, but even there I see problematic behaviour within recreational hunting. I am not at all against hunting per se, it's absolutely an requirement in most industrial nations to keep the ecological balance in the few remaining ecosystems and is the most ethical source of meat available.

But again in some nations a subculture around it has formed that is not healthy,not required to maintain biodiversity and ecological balance, etc. My shire owns large wooden areas and has decided to switch to (semi-) professional hunters quite a while ago, they are payed to hunt according to a ecological plan, do not get less or more money if they are successful, the shire sells the meat to the inhabitants for relatively cheap prices. This model has been proven (scientifically) to be successful as it allows very targeted hunting, e.g. to keep animal tracks away from certain roads, to intentionally allow the reintroduction of larger predators,etc.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago

and only the state should have them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

there are antimaterial guns as well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Guns are made to make a tiny piece of metal go very fast. You don't have to use them to kill or think about using them to kill. You can, for example, use them as a remote light switch or their most popular use: remote hole punch. Healthy society shouldn't have to ban guns since they would be used for completrly non violent things, same a swords and bows.

I mean you could shoot at the sun to combat global warming even.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I can only hope that this is satire

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Making a piece of something go fast is a purpose of any accelerator. Trains go fast along the rail, and are driven by an engine - or, in case of maglev, sort of the rail itself.

Guns are engineered specifically to be most effective at killing or injuring people. Sure, it's people who put them to action, but it's also people who make them as deadly (or otherwise efficient at hurting people) as possible. It's insane we just look at this industry and haven't closed it for good, forever.

Please, use an electrical switch next time you want to turn the light off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So are bows and swords and crossbows. But they don't have hillbillies ruining their public image. I see no harm in having guns around for recreational and hobby purposes as long as they are only in the hands of people who can safely store and operate them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly I'd rather not have a man on the street with a real sword/bow/crossbow either, and the only reason we may find it less threatening nowadays is that we know there are more perfect weapons that could be used to take such a man down very quickly should he become a tangible threat - and that he himself would use should he go crazy about killing people.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Swords are actually the only weapons specifically designed to kill people. Every other weapon used by humanity is or was a tool for another task at one point. Axes can be used to cut down trees, maces are just fancy hammers, and spears were the first real hunting tools for large game. Swords stand above all other weapons in that it's use is specifically engineered to be as dangerous to humans as possible. It's too long to be used effectively as a knife and too fragile to use as any other tool. It's almost as dangerous to the person wielding it as the person it's used on. It's remarkable how every other killing tool used by man has other purposes, but the sword really has just the one.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Here in Germany this is a quite popular Opinion. If you have an open fascination for guns, you will be looket at like a serial killer or someone who will be going amok. And wont be allowed to be a police officer (the almost only people to wield a gun in public)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

God made man. Samuel Colt made him equal.

Any tool used incorrectly is a significant danger.

I already found the ideas and the people who hold those ideas that you're referencing are a minority who are scared fanatic and unreasonable and those are the type of people that should not have guns or tools of any capacity.

However, someone like you who wants one for protection and the ability to protect those around you regardless of circumstance are why it's important to protect gun rights in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The thing is, using the gun for killing is exactly the correct one. That's the intended purpose. Then you may threat to use it correctly as a means of protection.

But there are other ways. Gun rights are almost universally revoked throughout Europe, for example, and barely anyone fears for their close ones, because of a working police and professional army, as well as, exactly, less access to guns that could be used to perpetrate violence.

As the result, banning guns normally leads to a decrease in the number of homicides and assaults.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly the bigger factor is social cohesion and combating criminogenic factors. While far from perfect, European societies are doing much better here than a proudly hyper-individualist US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Also true, but having wide access to guns is one of those factors, even though it's not the whole story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We still have people atacking people with axes and knives. Thing is you can at least try to run away from an idiot with an axe, unlike an idiot with a gun.

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