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Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.

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Important note about a Nazi that is clogging up SDF with a disinfo campaign (lemmy.sdf.org)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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@[email protected] is spreading a disinfo campaign trying to rebrand horrible ideas as "not nazi." I don't know where else to warn people about this. We are pushing for an instance ban, but the admin at SDF tends to be slow to reach.

Edit: Look at the modlog. I beg of any instance admin that sees the ban and removal reasons alone, including a ban reason of "tranny" , I hope to hell they break your instance rules. You should instance ban this moron to keep the spread down.

Edit 2: It has been more than a day now with not even a "We will look into it." kind of reply from the admin. It may be time to look into defederation. We are effectively abandoned.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

Nazis GTFO.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Okay, so I feel partly guilty because my pov has been that I want to poke at what I think is hivemind behavior and take on devils advocate perspectives. I don’t think it’s worth it if literal nazis feel like they have a place to comment here. I hate it when there are posts that go unchallenged while advocating for clearly disingenuous and misstated opinions. But yeah, I think I’ll just block out the Marxist political content instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay, so I feel partly guilty because my pov has been that I want to poke at what I think is hivemind behavior and take on devils advocate perspectives.

Bro... Take a look at yourself.

When you're on the same side of Nazis and and they feel like they have a welcoming place with you and your ideas, doesn't that tell you maybe what you're doing is not ideal?

You're not simply playing "devil's advocate". You're enabling fascist, Nazis and other bigots because in your efforts to "fight Marxism" (whatever that means), you're growing more and more extreme towards the right.

And is that really the road you want to take?

I don’t think it’s worth it if literal nazis feel like they have a place to comment here.

It seems like your answer to that question is "no". So why don't you take a moment to step back and ask yourself if to you it's worth being on the same side of Nazis.

I hate it when there are posts that go unchallenged while advocating for clearly disingenuous and misstated opinions.

But they don't go unchallenged. You are being disingenuous here.

I saw your profile, and all your rebuttals at anything remotely Marxist has very often been commented on by fellow Marxists. You either stopped replying when you didn't know what to say. Or their answers were just dismissed by you, without providing any legitimate counter arguments.

But yeah, I think I’ll just block out the Marxist political content instead.

Do that then. I'd rather you just blocked various accounts and communities rather than continuing down the road you're in.

I've seen plenty of people get sucked into the far right pipeline because a Marxist was too mean once or because they didn't agree with the left mentality.

You can of course be another of those people. And additionally, you can of course disagree with left ideas/opinions as well.

But if you're feeling any remorse about being on the same side of Nazi users, I would invite you to ask yourself why are you truly being so passionately against the left that you're willing to align your ideas and worldviews with those of Nazis.

Best of luck to you!

Edit: You don't have to answer my comment either if you don't want to. I just wanted to share my own opinion and an invitation to stop and truly reflect on what's important to you.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You’re right, it’s not worth it

I stopped responding because I got banned 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago) (1 children)

I stopped responding because I got banned 🤷‍♀️

You got banned 12 hours ago from comics.ml for exactly 6 days. And you were temporarily banned because you kept being troll-y and not engaging in good fate. You were laughing at the people downvoting you, telling everyone that they didn't understand anything they were saying and that only you were the one who truly knew what they were talking about. That is troll behavior. Period. I know because when I get heated, sometimes I do it too and I know that's just trolling.

While 8 days ago you were banned from blahaj.zone because your views got you labeled as bigot. You might say you are not, but what is the difference if at the end of the day you just happen to keep saying the same things that other bigots say? In the eyes of any outsider, you're just another bigot.

Finally, let's get something straight: I am not here to convince you of what you did. Nor I wish to debate about whether or not what you did was correct, the mods actions justified or anything else like that.

I am simply telling you, as an outsider, that your actions are mirroring the same actions of those that eventually started hanging out with fascists and Nazis because they alienated everyone else in their blind reactions and hate.

What you do with this information is entirely up to you, my friend.

There will be no amount of words that I can say that could convince you of that unless you think that yourself.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I think you folks are biased, and that’s why I don’t care about the bans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

I think you folks are biased

And? You're acting again as if you were the only neutral person in the world. Everyone has bias. You have (far) right wing bias. It's about being aware of the bias and knowing not to be as biased when making decisions that matters.

Decisions like whether or not you want to be on the side of Nazis, for example.

and that’s why I don’t care about the bans.

And that's what I meant with "you're debating in bad faith".

I'm writing long paragraphs with specific points to address. You are only writing 2 shitty lines that don't even address my points.

2 lines that openly contradict each other too. You cannot say at first "but they banned me 🤷‍♀️" and then immediately "but I actually don't care about the ban".

Talk to me about having biases again?

This is the last thing I'll write to you by the way. I value my time too much to waste it writing comments to rightwing trolls who are unwilling to have an actual conversation and be critical of themselves.

I will block you as well if necessary because I don't want to have people in my feed who repeat Nazi and transphobic talking points, or who are against DEI and CRT.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Don't worry. The troll is competent and the org doesn't have the bandwidth to deal with this. To all that may see this: defederation should be on the table

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep. Can confirm. I did update the post with a screenshot of the modlog.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Oops I missed that! Anyway glad it's dealt with.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Okay wow so it’s been almost 24 hours. The admin’s last post was a year ago. Has anyone had contact with them since? What are the chances this instance is just running derelict?

Hoping I am wrong! But if I’m not SDF users might want to consider to start migrating. If the admin can’t be reached at all the next step other admins are gonna take is defederation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

SDF is a very old, esteemed community that has existed long before Lemmy and the Fediverse.

24 hours is normal by its measure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yes I do understand that. Nevertheless SDF needs to come to terms that it is integrating with a much more dense and active community by hosting a Lemmy instance and act accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think this is the right attitude. Just do a coordinated ban on the user and their communities. If one can't ban a community from one instance on another - then this is a technical flaw to be solved. Maybe some kind of 2/3 vote system to do those coordinated bans, too, so that people with personal life keeping small instances could keep up.

But then in my personal humble opinion any federated model is flawed. And then NOSTR is inconvenient, because it's everything in the same place - microblogging, video streaming, something like Reddit/Lemmy, and I fear to see a new tab in Amethyst every day. Also I don't like that its protocol is designed around web technologies - websockets+JSON. But maybe that's wise, it's a bit less likely to be easily blocked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

It sounds like your position is based on a disagreement with the system as a whole, which is fair. But I am working within the realistic bounds of the tools currently at hand.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not even a reply to anything on Mastodon or e-mails. I think I may nuke this account and all of the content in protest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

definitely not what you want to see in that position of power

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I'm disappointed that such a user is on the same instance as I. Thanks for raising the alarm. I'm hopeful the folks in charge take action.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

Startrek.website has banned the user and blocked/purged the communities.

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