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I feel like things on Lemmy were pretty chill several months ago, and that’s started to change.

People used to talk each other like they would talk to a neighbor. Now I get the sense that people have become quick to be negative, attack, and not be constructive.

Am I crazy in feeling like the vibe has changed?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Conflict bots?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

The subject of the arguments is certainly politics (and war and religion), but the source of the arguments is strongly differing world views.

Despite what we'd like to believe about ourselves, humans are not well-adapted to being exposed to a wide variety of differing viewpoints. We evolved in small, racially and socially homogenous groups, for the most part. Up until the Industrial Revolution, the vast majority of humanity lived and died within 30 miles of where they were born, and only had daily interaction with what was essentially an extended family.

Travel, mass immigration, and the Internet changed all that. Being exposed to such a diversity of opinion on a daily basis quite simply breaks our brains. It causes a tremendous amount of internal conflict and stress, for some more than others. That constant strain becomes more intense when there is war, such as in Gaza and Ukraine, or particularly divisive politics. There are obviously some extremely contentious elections coming up, including the US election, which has tremendous global implications. There are, no doubt, people on Lemmy right now for whom the result of the US election is a matter of life and death, and yet they aren't US citizens and can't vote.

We should all take a chill pill and try to be less confrontational and use less emotionally-charged language when it comes to hot button issues. The politics and news subs are an avalanche of charged words and phrases like genocide, fascist, apartheid, Nazi, racist, transphobic, anti-gay, religious zealot, and many others. Those are fighting words. Deserved or not, words like that not only reflect, but also create, a lot of emotional dissonance and stress, which lead to emotionally charged arguments.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

thats something a complete idiot would say

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Lemmy is a left leaning echo chamber loaded with hateful and violent speech toward Trump and the GOP in general. Whenever I bring this up, I get downvoted to oblivion. I hardly engage anymore, not like I used to. Too much crazy. Trust me, I fucking hate Trump, but the death threats and shit are too much

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You got to be edgy on the internet, it's the law

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

And it’s self reinforcing through irony laden posts like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

hateful and violent speech toward Trump and the GOP in general.

As should be the case :)

These groups are only alive by sheer mercy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Taking about U.S politics is a good way to make anyone not from U.S leave. I don't care about politics, yet my wish to not get bombarded by it simply cannot be fulfilled here. So I have to seek other social media platforms, which means I spend less time here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

The simple (depressing) fact that U.S. politics affects nearly every single person on the globe to some degree makes your indifference towards politics in general somewhat dangerous on a personal awareness level. Consume what data you choose, but avoiding it only prolongs the inevitable?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not even American and I usually don't care either way, but it's so annoying. Why can't we just have apolitical or at least more focused communities online anymore? I would literally join any community that outright banned all political speech for a change nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Being apolitical is the same as being worthless. It is the absolute duty of every member of the polis to participate actively, which includes praxis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The 80/20 rule applies to toxic Internet behaviors as well, 20 percent (or less) of the user base is responsible for 80 percent of the toxicity.

It's always the same people being awful here, if you are taking notes, you can quickly identify the worst posters on this platform after a week. People always complain about how they are unfairly banned by reddit moderators, but you have to remember, sometimes the bans are really justified.

I think the ony real (and unpleasant) solution is to moderate very aggressively whenever there is bad behavior (although, I must add, permanent bans should be rare and reserved for extremely bad behaviors)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

this and a prodigious use of your block button. you don't owe anyone the right to talk to you like a jerk. and even more, you curate your online space. vibes are off? you're allowed to block people. even if they haven't said anything to you specifically. if someone is the sort of person you would never want to be around IRL, why allow them in your space online?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

The free ability to block users and instances here is AMAZING

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Holy cow I thought I was the only one running into rude people.

I'm dealing with that right now, and also what I noticed is the abundance of downvotes on facts, but upvotes on feelings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I disabled votes on my clients. I don’t want a number to potentially sway my opinion on a comment or post

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I wonder if that's why Youtube did it also, for downvotes at least

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I think downvotes on facts and upvotes on feelings is just people wanting to feel validated, but not having the energy to engage with content. It used to happen on reddit too a lot. A lot of communities there are based on dealing with human emotions and situations in life. People seeking advice and validation about their lives being the primary motivation for even creating an account on the site.

I have a little pet theory backed by some reading that people are overstimulated by junk content to the point where they just can't meaningfully engage in serious discussions anymore and that leads to the phenomena of populism on a political scale and simple, emotion-based upvoting on a Lemmy scale.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Especially the grammar Nazis that floated here on a turd from the reddit cesspool.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago
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