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Just saw the discussion around the Haier Home Assistant takedown and thought it would be good to materialize the metaphorical blacklist.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I really like seeing codeberg being used more.

Also I'm definitely keeping my eyes on this repo once in a while 👀🧐🍵

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Add Haier to the list. They’re threatening Homekit devs and issued a takedown on a GitHub hosted HVAC controller for their units. Citing it hurting their income (I assume they mean data mining income when you stop letting them monitor your appliances online).

The dev is looking for a lawyer to consult, and wants to fight, so has probably not got any copyright infringing code in his repo.

Oh and for boycotting purposes, they sell appliances under the brands: Haier, Casarte, Leader, GE Appliances, Fisher & Paykel, Aqua and Candy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It might be a good idea to do the exact opposite I.e. make a OSS whitelist. It will be much easier to maintain given the scale of applications/services/products.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Although I agree, it's tough to make a whitelist than a blacklist, as the latter requires only 1 bad decision, the former is tough to assess (how many good decision to be on the list, ex Microsoft support lots of open source projects, should they be added?)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Should add Reddit. Started out as FOSS, closed down their GitHub, then killed their API which killed dozens of third party integrations impacting hundreds of thousands of users.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

And now apparently removing all comments that mention Lemmy...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

lol dw we all know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget to add Nintendo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s probably a good idea to have a stronger definition and mission. Here are a few scenarios you should consider.

  • FSF defines anything that’s not copyleft as hostile. That’s most companies. I personally don’t think I can tell my users what to do with my software other than remove my liability so I vehemently disagree with Stallman.
  • Mongo wrote the SSPL and MariaDB wrote the BSL. Both licenses are seen as regressions. I personally respect the MariaDB case and have been harassed by too many Mongo salespeople to say the same about them.
  • Platforms like AWS are the reason companies like CockroachDB and Elastic implemented restrictive licenses.
  • IBM has been gutting open source through its acquisition of Red Hat. This is a common story; Oracle has been screwing *nix longer.
  • Protecting trademarks causes a lot of consternation from users. The Rust Foundation is the most recent example of this I remember blowing up the FOSS community.

I like your idea a lot. I think it needs some definition to be very successful!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

FSF defines anything that’s not copyleft as hostile. That’s most companies. I personally don’t think I can tell my users what to do with my software other than remove my liability so I vehemently disagree with Stallman.

I'm not planning on counting that as hostile behavior. Organizations can choose a license for their software (and I can choose not to buy/use it). This collection is mostly focused on companies that hurt existing Open Source software. Such as sending a cease and desist to an unofficial plugin/extension or closing down software that was originally open source.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

The new owner of Simple Mobile Tools? Buying it and then adware stuffing? ZipoApps?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I'm shocked that the list only contains one