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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago (9 children)

For the love of god wake up people, do you know what little percent of people know about fedi? Services like these jump to where the public is, not drags public behind it. Bluesky made huge jump publicity wise, and that's when it was already more widely known than fedi. Moaning about it doesn't help.

In perfect world, we'd have country-specific instances with all national news and announcments centralised in there, to which people could easily subscribe to. But that even sounds complex to average person, compared to "Hey, Bluesky? Yeah twitter but better".

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Lmao they went to Bluesky, a centralized (don’t get pedantic with me) social media platform controlled by Americans. Genius

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Wikipedia says "direct messages are offered though a central service". If that's was/still is correct then you're correct, it's centralized.

Nuance is the friend of truth - pedantic.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why have they jumped to another billionare run site instead of spinning up a mastodon instance?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

FYI, Jay Graber is not a biliionaire.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Until they can sell blue sky to VC that is.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Disappointing.

They could have followed the EC’s example https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/about

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes...most of these news recently is then followed up by:we are on bluesky now... Well it's fair enough but they should at least also join mastodon .. I don't know. It's frustrating.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago

not enough, we need businesses and other government organisatiins ditching X fast

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Out of the frying pan, into ~~the fire.~~ yet another frying pan.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

When it comes to the average person it's more important to be willing to jump to another platform if an alternative comes up than waiting for a perfect one that will likely never appear. Repeating the cycle of joining and leaving I think is better than just staying when it comes to the average person and mainstream platforms.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are you implying Bluesky is worse? Because that's what that idiom means.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well... Bluesky was founded by the same sort of techbro culture that spawned Xitter, but hit hasn't gone full incel fash fanboy like Xitter. So maybe it's more "Out of the fire, into the frying pan, then back into the fire" because I'm pretty sure Bluesky will follow Twitters trajectory.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

But hasn't yet and that's good enough for me right now. I'm not interested in letting perfect be the enemy of good.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Incels live rent-free in everyone's head huh & of Course BS (As in BlueSky) will follow Twitter's Trajectory, it's created by Jack Dorsey remember

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Twitter truly went to shit when Musk bought them, and I doubt anything quite like that will happen any time soon, especially considering the huge loss in value since the takeover.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Twitter sucked long before musk bought it. A character limit is just not conducive to many modes of discourse, but that didnt stop people from shoehorning everything into the format anyway. The result is a culture of flippancy, where quips are prized over earnest engagement. I had to stop using twitter in like 2012 because it only ever made me angry, even if I limited my follows to people I agreed with. It's all anwers with no questions, unless they're a rhetorical device in service of the answer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I agree that it sucked, and I didn't use it, but a huge number of people did.

Post Musk, their userbase is collapsing.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I dunno, never discount a company hiring a slash-and-burn failson to give the stock a temporary boost so the upper management can take the money and run. Are you really sure Bluesky won't hire some techbro CEO to pump the stock somewhere in the near future?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Twitter was spiraling long before Musk bought them. He is accelerating its demise, of course, but he wasn't the cause.

The cause is the basic concept.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

nah twitter was great, I tweeted all the time, it hit its peak years before he bought it but still was a solid "news" source

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

The algorithim knew what I liked so well, down to people I follows likes being shown, it knew so well, now it just shows me weird angry ppl

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Twitter was the default way for any famous individual to address their fan base, and government agencies around the world to communicate to the public.

Train delays, road closures, states of emergency, it was all done through Twitter. They weren't spiralling anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And here we see, that a government should never rely upon a private company with important stuff like communication with its people.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

they just weren't making the kind of money that pleased the vultures and wall street.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

No, not worse. It's just not decentralized in a meaningful sense, so it suffers from the same enshittification problems that have killed Twitter, Reddit, BoingBoing, Digg, Slashdot...

Fundamentally, it's not any worse, but it's not any better either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

It's much better.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not the right idiom, then.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

https://torment-nexus.mathewingram.com/is-bluesky-decentralized-its-complicated/

Basically, Bluesky is not functionally decentralized, so it's just another platform destined for either failure or enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So moving from a platform run by a far right, nazi saluting Jackass, to a platform that is building it's user base at X's expense is a step backwards?

Also, Bluesky is run mostly by former Twitter employees, so they know exactly what will happen if they follow in their footsteps.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bluesky is a step sideways, not forward or back. It kicks the can down the road a few years, but the fundamental concept is doomed. It has been tried, time and time again, and the inevitable result is gross enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Given how many social media companies have collapsed over the years because they made their service worse, and their user base migrated en masse to other platforms, I don't think it's inevitable at all. Senior execs will be well aware of the consequences of that type of behaviour.

Don't forget, Bluesky is rising out of the ashes of Twitter, which is a spectacular example of what not to do, and something shareholders will be terrified of.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

not even just social platforms, so many businesses have risen from the ashes of similar businesses that chased off their customers, then went on to repeat the failures of their predecessors. humans, particularly in positions of power or authority, don't learn from their own mistakes so why would they ever learn from the mistakes of others.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

To which I would respond:

Given how many social media companies have collapsed over the years...

...it doesn't seem that "senior execs" are capable of learning the necessary lessons. Quite the contrary, the "senior execs" and most of the (early) shareholders of all these failed companies seem to be doing quite well for themselves, long after the companies have gone belly up.

Even if they are capable of learning, they don't seem to care.

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