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TLDR if you don't wanna watch the whole thing: Benaminute (the Youtuber here) creates a fresh YouTube account and watches all recommended shorts without skipping. They repeat this 5 times, where they change their location to a random city in the US.

Below is the number of shorts after which alt-right content was recommended. Left wing/liberal content was never recommended first.

  1. Houston: 88 shorts
  2. Chicago: 98 shorts
  3. Atlanta: 109 shorts
  4. NYC: 247 shorts
  5. San Fransisco: never (Benaminute stopped after 250 shorts)

There however, was a certain pattern to this. First, non-political shorts were recommended. After that, AI Jesus shorts started to be recommended (with either AI Jesus talking to you, or an AI narrator narrating verses from the Bible). After this, non-political shorts by alt-right personalities (Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, etc.) started to be recommended. Finally, explicitly alt-right shorts started to be recommended.

What I personally found both disturbing and kinda hilarious was in the case of Chicago. The non-political content in the beginning was a lot of Gen Alpha brainrot. Benaminute said that this seemed to be the norm for Chicago, as they had observed this in another similar experiment (which dealt with long-form content instead of shorts). After some shorts, there came a short where AI Gru (the main character from Despicable Me) was telling you to vote for Trump. He was going on about how voting for "Kamilia" would lose you "10000 rizz", and how voting for Trump would get you "1 million rizz".

In the end, Benaminute along with Miniminuteman propose a hypothesis trying to explain this phenomenon. They propose that alt-right content might be inciting more emotion, thus ranking high up in the algorithm. They say the algorithm isn't necessarily left wing or right wing, but that alt-right wingers have understood the methodology of how to capture and grow their audience better.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Does this mean youtube preferentially selects alt-right shorts, or alt-right people make more shorts? Or some other thing entirely? Jump to your own conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

YouTube selects what gives YouTube the most views for the longest time. If that's right wing shorts, they don't care.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Yeah it sure does. There is no way that garbage should be showing up for me, but yet...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There's a firefox extension to hide short and another to default to your subscription. Along with ublock, those are the only things that makes youtube usable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

That doesn't fix the out-of-the-box experience of the platform for millions, if not billions of people. Yes it's a good step to take individually, but insufficient to deal with the broader issue raised of latent alt-right propagandizing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

That and a Revanced patched version of it - or better yet Piped.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I have to get 2 extensions to make youtube better in order to block shorts, disable autoplay, make UI better, and bring youtube dislike button back. This is excluding ublock origin by the way, so I guess 3 or so

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Instagram does the same thing with "dark jokes" and really weird ufo and conspiracy videos it really sucks

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Not really surprising that short video clips would be used to target people with lower critical-thinking skills and attention spans

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I found youtube shorts very annoying, because I have an attention span and can focus on something for more than 30 seconds. But if you right-click the three dots on a few Shorts sections and click Not Interested, youtube gets the hint and stops offering them to you. Win-win!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I do that but every 30 days the short videos come back and then I have to click on the dots again. It's not difficult but it's kind of a dirty trick by YouTube. I look forward to something like peertube reaching critical mass. If YouTube continues to abuse their users, gets too spammy, gets too expensive with the paid tier, I think people will jump ship. Peertube isn't ready for prime time yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah I found it annoying enough I just blocked the entire element.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is when channels you subscribe to pump out shorts. I use the Subscriptions page a lot and it has more and more become flooded with junk shorts that I don't care about and don't want to watch on my TV.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Valid point but I would rather miss shorts from channels I subscribe to than see blurbs for all the endless others.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It doesn't seem to work for me, I also keep reporting ads and blocking ads, and they keep serving them up to me. So I have decided to disable YouTube on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can no longer report ads on my phone.

I kept reporting ads that were obvious scams(buy my book to get rich, this thing will make your PP hard and your girl squirt like a fountain, etc)

Now I don’t get the three dots on ads.

So I guess YouTube likes the scam ads?

Do YouTubers like having AI narrated dick pill ads in front of their videos?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I have to say they must, if they keep showing those ads.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting, I just scrolled through 10 or 15 pages of my youtube feed and there wasn't a Short to be found. Maybe it takes some time to happen, I forget. Or you might have to click Not Interested more if you've already watched a lot of Shorts - I had only watched like 3. and they were accidental.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Also on YouTube mobile i have an adblock on my computer

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So you're saying we need to start pumping out low quality left wing brainrot?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It only must be extremely simplified and evoke emotional reactions. That's just basic propaganda rules. The brainrot quality of the content is a consequence of the sheer quantity of the content. You can't make that volume of content and without making fully automated ai slop.

What the experiment overlooks is that there are PR companies being paid to flood YouTube with rightwing content and are actively trying to game its algorithm. There simply isn't a left-wing with the capital to manufacture that much content. No soros-bucks for ai minions in keffiyehs talking about medicare.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Insanely, that seems to be the play. Not logic or reason, but brainrot and low blows. Which is a bit at odds with the actual desire.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

fight fire with fire i guess….
maybe people get on board quicker if they feel the emotions first, and then learn the logic….
one good example is Noam Chompsky: every thing is says is gold, but he says it so slow and dispassionately even people who agree with him find it hard to watch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I've ditched their algorithm, but I'm not going back to a text only internet. It's so much more helpful to listen while I drive or follow along with someone's screen.

I'd like to see the creators get out of youtube and make more money but I can't say I like patreon much either.

Would be cool to tie fedeverse into non-profit monetization.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I like Youtube (with adblocker) but shorts are pretty trashy. It's mostly shorts of women as naked as they can get on Youtube without breaking the rules who have purposefully given themselves super camel toes and set the thumbnail for the short to show their camel toe to get people's attention. And it's just a front to get you to their OnlyFans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Strange, I don't get anything risque, just tech videos and some improv comedy. I still don't like shorts though. I'm highly tempted to use revanced to take out the shorts section.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I never see anything like that, my recommendations are all tech, game, or stories from Reddit/etc being read. For that last one I just skip the ai generated voices and try to find people actually doing the reading. Make good background noise.

I wouldn't be against a bit of soft core porn like you describe, but I go to other sites for that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I mostly get stuff about parrots and cake decorating.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Yup they have been showing up for me today. Fuck YouTube

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same happened to me (live in WA) but not only do I get pro-tyranny ads and Broprah (Rogan) shorts, I also get antivax propaganda.

I always use the “show less of this” option or outright remove it from my feed. Seems better now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While Optah has her own problems at least she never chummed with the fascists

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True, but the comparison lies more in the fact that- according to her fanbase, she can seemingly do no wrong. They gobble up anything she says like a nest of hungry baby birds.

I see Rogan’s army of dudebros as being no different, only less intelligent.

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