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[–] [email protected] 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Remember when TOS had magic wand worms?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Remember when Spock tried to kill Kirk because he was sexually frustrated?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

Everything except that one line about elon musk.

But in generall the concept of canon is completly overated. Like these are stories that are up to interpretation they not real. You can do what ever you want with that.

Its kind of interesting to see how some of those anti woke types loose their shit over this. (not just)

Anyways I can recommend jessie gender after dark's video on this subject relatong to trek

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Two lines. They had two elon musk lines and by far the worst part of the show

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

But in generall the concept of canon is completly overated.

You know, I wanted to disagree... But some of my favorite stories (especially Pathologic) make questions of canon a central story element. Sure, there's still a canon you could arrive at, but the canon of your experience with these stories is what makes them endlessly interesting and mystifying to me.

And that's not even to mention worlds like Dark Souls, Elden Ring etc. which deliberately allow for so much head canon that discussions are still going many years after release. None of this would work with strict canon.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

It isn't the mushroom drive that made Discovery bad, it's that Starfleet apparently no longer has any kind of standards.

TOS and TNG had all kinds of "woke" politics for their era, but they portrayed them as happening on a military vessel. People were calm, competent and followed the chain of command. The only time that broke down is when they were under the influence of some kind of alien disease or tech.

Discovery's crew was full of whiny, fragile people that were barely able to do their jobs for all the time they spent obsessing about their personal problems. Tilly is the prime example of this. The "Tilly" equivalent in TNG was Reginald Barclay. Shy, stressed, lacking self confidence, etc. Barclay's character arc makes sense for Star Trek. He is able to save the day, but he's certainly not promoted because it's clear that the senior officers on the show are calm, competent and project confidence. He's basically there to show that not all Star Trek characters are the confident, competent, brave people who make up the bridge crew. And, by doing that they emphasize how elite the bridge crew is. Meanwhile, on Discovery, Tilly is promoted and keeps gaining responsibility despite never addressing these gaping character flaws. The "Tilly" message seems to be something like "it doesn't matter if you're weird, awkward and unable to communicate competently, as long as you love and accept yourself, you too deserve to be on the bridge making life or death decisions".

Discovery also fails because that lack of competence is everywhere in the crew. The original shows had the crew acting as... well a crew. They'd tackle problems together. In TOS Kirk would lead the charge, but he'd never do anything on his own. Spock was stronger and smarter than anybody else, but he followed the lead of his commander. McCoy handled the medical stuff. Scotty handled engineering. In Discovery, Burnham is apparently the only competent person on the crew, and the only one not to be fazed when something bad happens, so rather than the crew working together to solve issues, it's superhero Burnham while the crew faints dramatically. The only real exceptions to that are Saru (whose personality doesn't really make sense given what they explain about his species), and Commander Reno, who is a breath of fresh air because she's basically the only one who isn't constantly freaking out -- although the sarcasm and fatalism of her character is almost too much.

What makes it all worse is that the backdrop is that the universe is doomed and only Discovery can save it. Sure, the other Treks have had major threats to the universe, but they were being slow-rolled over a long season, or sometimes multiple seasons. They had room to breathe and do episodes that didn't advance the plot. That gave them a time to do episodes focused on fleshing out the personality of a member of the crew, to do silly things, etc. Discovery has the whiniest, least professional crew that has ever crewed a starship (and I'm including Boimler and friends), who are whining while dealing with the most urgent apocalyptic scenarios. It's a soap opera while the end of the world is playing out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This might hurt your bones a bit:

MOOPSY IS CANON TOO

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

If Lower Decks added multiverses then anything can be canon or not canon according to the viewer's preference! Want a multiverse that's the same but Discovery doesn't exist? Okay, that's the multiverse whatever show is set in until such time as they explicitly bring it up.

That's how infinite realities work!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So let me get this straight. You’re saying there’s a reality in which we’re all sitting in the holodeck of the Enterprise-D right now, debating the canonicity of the prophetic Discovery show produced hundreds of years earlier, while eating Gorgon soup with our hotdog fingers?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

lol did you forget that you already posted this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, yes. I have so much stuff that I post that sometimes I don't update the tags properly and forget that I have already posted it. My mistake. That being said, was a while ago so meh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

And it seems to have generated quite a bit of discussion already anyway

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Obviously didn't get the reaction they were looking for.

OR.

Got exactly the reaction they were looking for and wanted more of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Alternatively, and accurately, I post constantly and have thousands of things to sort through and occasionally a double post happens.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Sure, that's what you WANT us to believe. I'm not falling for the narrative given by BIG-Stamets. This was an inside job. Rocket votes don't melt steel posts.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Don't care. Still ignoring it exists.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

the real chad

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