Yes. All modern human civilization will collapse with the coming climate change.
this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2025
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Yes, actually two folks figured it out over 100 years ago and wrote several books on exactly how to exit the spiral, including predicting exactly this spiral you describe to the letter.
Then y’all called us tankies and told us to fuck off, so nah. You deserve Trump and the collapse of America.
It was more than just two folks, but the point stands...
Except the tankie part. Nobody's ever called me that. Probably because I'm not a psycho
The democrats follow newprecedent to a point but not such that it just breaks the law. Like they would not try to define a sentence in the constitution to invalidate the whole paragraph thus making a paragraph that was written by the founding fathers to nullify itself thus calling the founding fathers brain dead dumb fucks. That being said they did sign off on the patriot act and have not acted to nullify citizens united. I live in the US so I sure as fuck hope we can but its been going on since the 80's with increasing acceleration. One of my biggest concerns is the most recent coming of age generation has no experience with somewhat sane political discourse.
Somewhere along the way we decided punching Nazis wasn't cool. I worry it's too late now.
Most of us are still ok with it, but we won't be the ones to do it. There aren't enough that will.
The "we" you speak of is a lot smaller of a group than you think.
Is it though? we all claim to hate nazis (largely because of their genocide), but talk about halting a different genocide and suddenly the dems have all wandered off or are staring intently at their shoes.
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Everyone gets off their stupid asses, pays attention, and votes in an informed way.
So, basically, we're probably fucked. People have repeatedly proven to be pretty God damned stupid.
What does fucked mean? Is it over? Will everyone on Earth die?
Fucked as in a huge number of people probably just won't bother and things are probably not going to be getting better unless there is a fundamental shift in American citizens caring about fulfilling their civic duty to be an informed voter in every single election.
Not everyone, no. But climate change will kill most of whatever's left
Nope, i mean other than direct action.
Grass-roots local freaking organization. People keep waiting for someone to save them not realizing: they're someone. Get involved with whatever local org is trying to improve people's lives. Address the problems that the right wing is lying about solving. Support whatever local candidate aligns with that view or hell become that candidate. Then get more people on board. We all love Bernie right? Well that's what Bernie has been preaching for decades. And the results for his state have been great.
The extreme right flourishes because the establishment (left and right) has for decades ignored real people's issues. You hears those interviews with Trump voters? They're not talking about wanting to reinstate the Third Reich, they're complaining about their real life hardships being ignored by politicians. And yeah Trump is obviously lying but desperate people will believe a lie if no one else is providing a better alternative.
You're not wrong, but I don't see the relevance to the topic? Unless this is part of the public revolt?
Organising to protect immigrants in your area is admirable, but how do you get rid of the necessity to do that? You'll have to replace the politicians, no?
And you'll probably need to be revolution sized and well organised to be able to do that when they ignore any procedure or deal that doesn't benefit them in the specific moment.
Politicians decide things, but to actually make stuff happen, the government needs to collect taxes to pay for services that are then provided to the public. I think the idea here is to take out the middleman. You won't solve the problem country wide, but you'll help some people, and that's still worth it. Work together without like-minded people locally, be an inspiration, and show that it works. I've only been very briefly part of an activist group (specialized in food saving), so probably best to look elsewhere for good advice on how to do this well.
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I'm sure the French were asking this exact question in 1788.
oh brother, you still think we're on a spiral, as in active? dude the spiral is complete, and now the monsters have control of all three branches of us government, they're going to do their damnedest to make sure they change just about everything that could possibly allow the power to be taken from them ever again. should have gotten the young people to vote, but wasn't important, looking a bit more important now, huh. dumbest thing i've ever seen, trump was president, fucked everything up, a million americans died bad from a pandemic due to his ineptitude, then young people stayed home and didn't vote democrat ...... can't make this shit up, the jokes write themselves. and now .... unstoppable destruction, and death.
You need to go have a beer with some friends and get off the internet for now.
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