One rule I think might be a good idea is that mods aren't allowed to moderate their own posts/comment chains. Not that it's really been an issue on 196 in the past afaik, but there are some communities where the mods will get into an argument with another user and then remove comments for incivility or a similar rule which obviously has massive potential for abuse. Assuming there are enough mods where it's not an issue to do so (which seems very likely based on the number of people interested in moderating) preventing situations like that entirely seems beneficial.
this post was submitted on 19 Jan 2025
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I cannot agree more. Good call, I appreciate the input.
Hell yeah, let's make it happen, folks!
I'll mod a few things. If interested send me a message
Hello, i wouldn't mind modding 196 along with you all. However i am not trans, so i may not be the best choice.
In any way, thanks for creating this and good luck with it 🤠
Can a rule be "fuck spez"?
Oh wait, we don't need something so obvious.:-)
I would be happy to help mod, I modded some stuff on the old site.
Regardless, here's what I'd like to see out of the moderation here:
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I fully agree with your points on moderation, but I think it's important to add to #1 that no major decisions should be made by the mods, even if all of them are in agreement. They should be discussed with the community.
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Semi-regular "ask the mods" post (or just one that's stickied). Basically if anyone disagrees with or has questions about a mod action, they can comment there and the mods pledge to answer any question.
Subbed!
Is there something to know about the "old" 196?
Sorry I'm out of the loop.
The mods are mad that Ada bans people that break the site-wide rules without first consulting them and want to move somewhere where they can moderate as they please, so, they're moving (and attempting to take the community with them) to .World
That was my read of the situation anyways.
they migrated to lemmy.world which a lot of people took issue with because the old 196 here on LBZ was one of the biggest non-LW communities (maybe the biggest non-LW community I'm not sure)
Thanks! So That's why the memes on going big and moving to .world, okay!
More questions what is LW in this context?
Thank you!
LW is short for lemmy.world
A lot of people (myself included) have had bad experiences with world. It’s the biggest server when you join lemmy so not knowing better a lot of normie people join it and they tend to have shitty takes, and those shitty takes are backed up by even shittier mods and admins. I ended up getting banned from world on my original account for not being a democrat simp (specifically - bought out by the insurance industry owned democrat senator joe Lieberman of insurance industry owned Connecticut single-handedly tanked the single payer option of Obamacare when it was being passed.) They allow fascists to comment and ban people who hold them accountable. And god forbid you shit talk the democrats from the left…
The original blahaj 196 was a queer space run off a queer server… moving it to world is just going to invite harassment against much of the queer community. World is not friendly to queer people. They do not understand how lived experience as a marginalized person makes one not play nice with fascists, and like typical liberals they hold being polite, respectful and agreeable above all. Well I’m not polite, respectful or agreeable to people who would want me dead.
Fuck lieberman into the ground for his bullshit, but he was only the last issue with single payer happening.
Obama fucked uo by negotiating with the GOP for a full year, only to get 0 votes.
Ted Kennedy fucked it up by dying in that year, which allows the the state of Massachusetts to really fuck up by electing the GOP Senator version of truck nuts, Scott brown. That shitfuck was elected in 2010 to fill the seat till the next full term, and then lost in 2012. Massachusetts elected a GOP senator for 2 out of something like 50 years, just long enough for him to vote no on single payer. Massholes deserve a hearty fuck you for that.
That's what made which made the shitheal Lieberman the swing vote. Also, to split hairs, he was an independent that caucused eith Democrats at time time, but basically literally a DINO.
The GOP still fucked us out of single payer, but thats to be expected. Dems just fucking stumps all along the fucking way let it happen.
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Thank you for the lore, I was so confused as to why I couldn't comment on 196@LBZ, and why there was now 196@LW and a onehundredninetysix@LBZ.
I keep saying we need our version of r/subredditdrama 😭😭
I keep saying we need our version of r/subredditdrama
Thank you and yes I wondered what was happening, 196 & blahaj was good together I thought. I have an account on world mostly because my own server lemmy.mindoki.com had problems and now I have all notes on the fachos & tankies & other idiots there but I should probably use my [email protected] instead. Or [email protected] which is my queer and art and admin person. I'm not very good at all this.
Thanks for the info and yes fuck all the fachos and terfs and other violent people ot there!
The world could have been a so much better place without them.
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Lemmy.World, and LBZ is Lemmy.Blahaj.Zone :3
Oh yes of course, I'm an idiot 😅 thank you!
I'm willing to help with moderation if needed
The canonical name being written out in words makes sense if you or Ada didn't want to take over the existing community (which IMO would have been preferable). But I would strongly prefer that the display names of both communities make it clear which it is. So !196 would become "196 (archive)" and !onehundredandninetysix should just display "one hundred and ninety six", or at least "196 (new)". This is just so it's very clear at a glance, regardless of where in the UI you're seeing it, which community you're looking at, and helps differentiate it visually from the LW one.
Do you not see the instance name after it? For me, it shows up as "[email protected]", which makes it distinct from "[email protected]". It doesn't need to be distinct from the old one, because they locked that one to new posts.
I agree that it would have been much better if we could have just taken over the old 196@lbz but here we are.
That depends HIGHLY on which app/client you are using and in what context you are viewing it.
Sometimes display name is all that shows.
Fair enough; I only use Lemmy on a computer, so I'm not familiar with the idiosyncrasies of the various apps.
[email protected] and [email protected] show up as similar in a few menus as they rely on display names and not ID
That's the main problem, definitely. A secondary problem is that in some places it might show the instance name, but it's not quite as prominent as the community name. So it takes a second longer to figure out which one you want. If that second can be entirely removed by one easy change, even if it is only one second, that's a good thing to me.
@[email protected] could you maybe do something here?
Nah I think this is a mod thing, not an admin thing. That's why I was suggesting the display name be "196 (new)" or "one hundred and ninety six". I'd now add "one nine six" to the list, that could be good. Though the one with 196 would be the most searchable, since then you can search either by text or by number.
I was thinking about editing the old one as "196 locked"
Oh right. Yeah admin help on that one would be good.
Literally didn't know there was a blahaj 196, and now you guys are my entire feed lol. Love this fediverse lore
Also if you read this I wish you a wonderfully fulfilling day
[email protected] used to be the only (or at the very least largest) community of the type. Recently, its mods unilaterally decided to move the community to [email protected] and lock 196@LBZ (essentially squatting on the name). [email protected] is a replacement under new management.
It was the main one.
You could always just copy the old 196 rules. They work pretty well.
I wrote these rules for a venting room on the blåhaj matrix, perhaps they could be of some inspiration here. A venting room on a different medium will have very different needs of course from a community like this.
Rules
User rules
- Assume others have good intentions. Strive to keep this a safe space to vent.
- Tangents are allowed, but the primary purpose of the room is venting.
- Don't respond to vents if the venter does not wish to be interacted with. You can mark a vent with /dni to signify this.
- Keep mature vents in 18+ rooms if possible. Use https://trggr.link/ if such rooms are unavailable.
- Censor/spoiler sensitive issues and provide content warnings as appropriate. https://trggr.link/ is an excellent way to censor something. Some clients support surrounding text in || on either side of it to censor it like this: ||spoilered text||. Some clients may have a spoiler command: /spoiler spoilered text.
Issues you probably should spoiler: Slurs, racism, ableism, bigotry, suicide, self harm, abuse, drug/alcohol abuse, blood and gore.
Moderator rules
- Use a gentle hand, don't reprimand!
- Assume good intentions.
- When moderating, use DMs or moderator rooms for anything beyond single-comment moderation and for anything serious.
- Don't leave moderated users in the dark regarding issues they are directly involved in.
- Warn, then kick, then temp-ban, then perma-ban (avoid), in that order, when dealing with non-compliant users and serious infractions. Skip steps if necessary for larger infractions.
- Users may appeal your decisions and some arguing should be tolerated. Attempt to deescalate when this happens. Harassing you however is never okay.
- If you feel yourself become angry at or get a bad relationship with a user you are moderating then pass on the issue to another mod if they are available.
- Take care of yourself. You are moderating voluntarily after all.
Proper guidelines for moderators is probably key, and then for users a quick summary of the purpose of the community is important, followed by any additions to the instance rules.
Ahem. Can I propose a dumb rule in the spirit of the community's name?
- All numbers shall be written out in full here.
One hundred and ninety six.
Two thousand twenty five.
The Kessel Run can be run in less than twelve parsecs.
The universe was made thirteen point six billion years ago and was widely considered a bad move.
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Assume others have good intentions.
Solid approach! Not naming names, but let's just say some people and groups assume everyone is out to get them and moderate accordingly.
That one is especially important in a venting room, perhaps not as necessary in lemmy communities.
It's true that mods should be careful and assume good intent when reasonable, however care should also be taken to not allow concern trolling and sealioning. I think a good approach there is a warning (preferably in the form of a gentle reminder that their comment can be misinterpreted) for suspected cases of concern trolling and sealioning and removing the offending comment if necessary, followed by a temp ban if the user continues.
Rarely, people sealion or parrot bigoted points without knowing better. Giving room for people to learn is important, but so is not getting run over by actual trolls
Lyndon Baines Johnson?
Oh no... Fixed it! Thanks, I think my keyboard's text correction "helped" me.
I have a few ~~suckers~~ really nice people who volunteered for modding along with me.
r those the people I mentioned in my post or r there even more?
I didn't think this would take off!
yeh the community has been specially active today to make sure the new 196 grows apparently X3 I knew thatd happen the moment I saw the migration post in the old 196 tho, I love this community :3
r those the people I mentioned in my post or r there even more?
Yep, yours and more. I'm vetting people that chimed in and am pretty sure my wife thinks I've finally gone mad.
if i have any feedback then i would say that we need some proper rules in place, yeah we can just default to the instance rules but i think having some solid set of rules for moderators and users alike to follow would be a good idea. if you need help modding im interested.
Nice post