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And what is the evidence for it being a Chinese spying platform? Is it owned by a Chinese company? Is there any hard evidence? Why is it so controversial?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

In short: Culture war

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

AIPAC wants it gone because Gen Z can't easily be manipulated into thinking Israel is a peace-loving democracy surrounded by savage terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's about narrative control. Cia has tools to promote/restrict content with x and facebook. (read twitterfiles). They don't have it for tiktok.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

And on the flip side it is very dangerous to give Chinese intelligence direct access to propagandize to Americans. Look at how successful Iranian intel was on getting people on Reddit to back The Houthi Militia.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

the US government doesn't like how little control they have of the information flowing over there

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

This is the best answer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So that Trump can swoop in and "save" it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

After seeing the video the ceo posted, as well as the messages from when tiktok got banned and then unbanned, I'm starting to think this is the reason

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (2 children)

A motivation that hasn't been mentioned yet:

Every successful attempt so far by the US government to control what Americans may and may not access on the internet has been rooted in pre-existing legal restrictions on the content, or on access to it. It's just been things like piracy, CSAM, drug trafficking and the like - things that are illegal in and of themselves, so banning sites that are involved with them has just been a response to thecrxisting illegality.

This is the first time that the US government has succeeded in banning a site without pointing to violations of any existing laws, but simply because they've decided to do so.

That's a significant precedent, and to would-be tyrants, an extremely useful one.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

This happens all the time. Almost every country has laws about foreign ownership of media and telecom. Here in Canada, Americans cannot come in and just buy up all the media companies. The consortium that bought my cell provider included a wealthy Egyptian national who was forced to divest before the sale could be finalized.

China was forced to divest from Grindr in the US like five years ago for the exact same reasons.

The only thing that's really weird here is that China is refusing to do so and would rather burn it to the ground than sell it. That's at least in part because having all that information - including granular tracking data - on 50% of the US population is an insanely powerful intelligence tool.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That’s not a motivation, but rather an (admittedly astute) comment on the legal context. Appreciated nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Establishing that precedent just in and of itself would most certainly be more than enough motivation for anyone with a desire to manipulate or limit public discourse and access to the authority by which future bans can and will be implemented.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In Congress, during a private session, intelligence on their spying was presented.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

That and the unanimous SCOTUS decision really say something as to what our government knows.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

All social media apps generate enough data about their users to engineer effective disinformation campaigns, influence elections and sway public opinion.

The US would prefer that China has to ask Russia to do that, rather than having direct access.

It also helps the china hawks in the US government who want war by contributing to the perception of China as implacably malicious.

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