I thought that said fights at first and I started wondering where the adult vs children fights were happening.
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I truly do not understand why people don't simply wait until the kid is old enough to handle frying before travelling with an airplane. My family travelled a lot by train, or sometimes car, then when I was around 7 or 8 years old we took a short flight.
Babies really won't remember anything of the trip anyway, I really feel that travelling by plane is one of the things that you sacrifice for the first years of having a child. Call me entitled or whatever, but your childs screaming or running around on the plane is absolutely annoying to others.
Generally, you avoid frying your offspring.
But WRT the OPs concerns of flying; People move, get jobs in other cities and countries, have kids, want to visit families, grandparents get sick, etc.
There’s a whole range of reasons why. Going “whelp, you had kids, sorry we’re going to ostracise you from society until your crotchspawn can keep quiet” isn’t exactly an inclusive attitude.
Damn, this conversation didn't stay casual.
But, in fairness, your post text was pretty aggressive for a casual conversation.
But, as people have already said, there ain't no such because nobody is/was willing to pony up often enough.
Besides, airplanes aren't sleeping berths. That part of your premise is flawed. It's okay to sleep on flights, but it isn't part of the package. There's no laying down, and no promise made that any flight will be quiet enough for any given individual to sleep, babies and kids or not.
Your expectations of flying being geared towards sleep just aren't realistic. It never has been, barring very limited occasions here and there.
Tbh, you can't even have a realistic expectation of adults being quiet enough for everyone's sleep needs, even if everyone was trying to sleep. Snoring, farting, groans and creaks. Someone would be unable to sleep.
Babies in particular are really hard to ignore for sure, their cries are supposedly evolved to alarm adults into action. Even small kids crying and screaming can cut through a lot. But that's life. Mass transit always has a risk of that kind of event because even the most stable and comfortable vehicles can't guarantee a child won't be bothered enough for occasional fits.
There's no current airlines offering such, not that a quick search could find (and I don't doubt you had already done so). So you're just as screwed as anyone on a bus, train, or a family road trip.
If you want advice on ways to filter out baby screams, let me know. I've done enough time around sick infants to have sorta found ways to avoid being upset by it, which means I can half doze through short crying spells. It's all about riding the response it causes and letting it go while doing some meditation and breath control. Mix in a little self-programming under a controlled setting, and you can eventually mostly tune it out.
Disclaimer: I may or may not be on a 36h day with only an hour of sleep right now
Lemme guess: kids?
Also to answer your question https://www.alternativeairlines.com/child-free-flights . No child-free flights, but child-free zones on flights.
All the people here talking about "just use headphones with ANC" haven't been a seat or two away from a crying child. It's not the child's fault and often not that of the parents (they have to travel too), but having adults-only flights would be amazing. I'd pay extra too to be on a long-haul flight without kids. Some adults do act like kids too, but it's not possible to ban them.
And to the people acting mortified and all high and mighty: there are adults only places. Are you going to get offended about those too? The proposal isn't to ban kids from all flights. It's to offer some flights without kids.
They exist. They're called private jets.
I have kids and when I took them on trips when they were little, I would book the most direct option. I didn't consider the option where I could inconvenience the most entitled people.
I'll never get why people get so worked up by babies crying on airplanes. The kids parents are just trying to get somewhere, same as everyone else. The plane is not your bedroom, or office, theater, or library. You know what you're getting into when you board. You're going to be in close quarters with strangers. Some of them might be kids that cry, some might be so old or weak that they have trouble stuffing their oversized carry on into the overhead bin. The difference is the weak person could have chosen to check the bag. Can you tell what my flying pet annoyance is? You just never know what you're gonna get.
Like someone already said, the airlines don't do it bc there's no money in it.
If you're an adult who doesn't have or don't work around children it's hard to overstate how irritating they are. The noise, lack of self-awareness, the energy, the stickiness, and you have to censor yourself around them. Additionally, they're way harder to reason with (if they even can communicate) and parents are notoriously shitty and self-righteous. Finally adults have consequences. If an adult screams their head off, runs up and down the aisles, or hit people around them then flight attendants can do something
You also act like that child HAS to be on that plane. You can drive, you could leave the kid with someone else, you could take a train, a bus, or you could just not go. We know planes specifically are really uncomfortable for babies because of the pressure. You chose to have a kid presumably knowing that you'd be making sacrifices for them. Maybe one of those sacrifices should be flying until they're old enough to behave
I don’t mind kids on planes. They can be loud or obnoxious but adults can be worse, so whatever. If you have such a problem, you can drive, take a train or just not go, you know?
I'm an adult with adult responsibilities and obligations. Occasionally I do have to be on a plane. That child's presence is almost certainly not required somewhere with such urgency that they simply must be on a plane. Also I can and do behave myself so I don't need to be justified. Babies usually can't and don't, which is why we're having this conversation in the first place
We can leave the child’s travel urgency and behaviour out of this, I think. Kids don’t decide to travel on a plane, and they behave how they do. This is really about the parents. They are the ones taking their children on planes. So, they are adults with responsibilities and obligations which includes caring for their children and usually that means bringing them with them on planes.
We need a travel justification board so only truly necessary air travel is authorized and approved. Nein. No babiez on ze plane
Consider it the price you pay for travel freedom.
Parents are mortified when their kids are screaming on a flight. They didn't want this either.
A good pair of earplugs (e.g. loop) can help tremendously.
e.g. loop
Or a pair of non-meme plugs that's designed to actually block all noise. Mack's Ultra Soft are quite excellent.
You knew what I meant. But ok.
Well kinda said I wasn't looking to rant about this part, but okay:
When the child is two seats over, my loops are not helping. When another child is running up and down the aisle every 20 mins, ear plugs aren't the solution either.
I simply would not choose a flight where the majority of people would be trying to sleep if I were a parent. I would not want to put myself in a situation where it could even happen, no one wants to be mortified and on a long flight it approaches certainty.
A screaming child on a 4h middle-of-the-day flight is annoying but bearable. Screaming children on a double-digit hour overnight flight ruins many people's days.
It is a good thing you were never a kid annoying everyone around you. That would be embarrassing for you.
Alot of people were spanked for ANY public outburst. So yeah theres a good chance they never been THAT child.
Yes. instead they learned that violence is how "adults" solve problems.
Not sure that's such a great return lesson.