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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

It's not, there's no evidence that it is, and even if the Chinese were trying to get all of our data they could buy it for far less trouble and expense from any of the American data brokers happy to sell it. They don't need an app to obtain our data, they just need money.

The influence argument is similarly baseless. Cambridge Analytica demonstrated that existing American social media capabilities already permit foreign interference in American public opinion. TikTok is remarkably expensive to run, and the influence campaigns that they could run on Facebook would be much less expensive.

TikTok is competing with American social media companies. It's no better or worse than any other social media company, but because it's not based in the US it's labeled a national security risk. We're happy to let any company collect and sell personal information, so long as they're based in America.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

Does OP think governments only face one issue at a time?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

TikTok is owned by ByteDance, which is owned by the CCP. Why make it easy for foreign governments to spread agit-prop in your country If you don't have to?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Because Musky has conned America into thinking he's a smart good American.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can someone explain why the author is censored in this screenshot? Isn't it public already?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Copyright violations are fun

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe both are bad?

"Facebook should be under incredibly strict regulation or killed outright" is also a position I'm fond of.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, the TikTok lawyers kinda said the quiet part out loud during their SCOTUS brief:

Mr. Francisco contended that the government in a free country “has no valid interest in preventing foreign propaganda” and cannot constitutionally try to keep Americans from being “persuaded by Chinese misinformation.” That is targeting the content of speech, which the First Amendment does not permit, he said.

It's not a great look for your app when your argument before the Supreme Court is "yeah, we're a propaganda machine for a hostile foreign power, but free speech says you can't stop us. Neener neener."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The issue for common people regarding tiktok is more along the lines of foreign adversaries obtaining personal information of the users or using it to spy on the government. The idea that chinese propaganda would be in any way a threat is absurd and shouldn't even need to be defended in any way. "America bad" is hardly a hot take and they don't need to spread any lies to get that point across.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is it any different than the Russian propaganda campaign to get Trump elected? Or was that something you were fine with as well?

When you let a foreign government run an active psyop campaign against your citizens, you're just begging for instability and chaos.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I disagree. I think it's incredibly dangerous for a malevolent actor to control the media we consume and can erode the community from within.

Just look at fox news.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are assholes, sure... but are they wrong?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah? Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are inalienable rights, sure, but they're generally intended to extend to citizens. Not foreign governments.

There's a big difference between a Chinese citizen here on a green card going around saying they love China and a company running an active misinformation campaign on orders from their government.

It's no different than how the government tried to crack down on Russian election interference. Turns out, hostile nations running psyops campaigns is bad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree that it's bad, and it should be forbidden... but with the whole US decisions that "corporations are people" and "money is speech", I think it's legally questionable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I might grant questionable, but not super.

I think a large part of why it was a 9-0 decision was that it's not speech to run a social media site. It's commerce, plain as day. Congress has the authority to regulate commerce full stop. The fact that China is using that platform to spread misinformation, and then claiming that stopping them from doing so is a 1A violation is just a red herring.

"Money is speech" just means rich people can donate all the money they want to a politician. Not that you can run an otherwise unlawful business because "money is speech and free speech is a thing!"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

that’s not what they’re saying, they’re saying even if they were chinese propaganda, it would be protected under the first amendment for americans to read what they want and make their own decisions….

but, nice 4th grader logic you got there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

See, "I'm not gonna smack you across the face, but I totally could if I wanted to and you can't do shit about it" might not be the best way to clear your reputation as a bully.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

See, "Why aren't you going after other social networks. Specifically Facebook and X.....you know, the ones proved, since 2016, to lie and interfere with democracy? Is this gonna be wack a mole? Another chinese app its already trending you know..."

I don't use none of these. Facebook, xitter, tik-tok...I don't defend any of these.

But we KNOW Facebook was used to manipulate elections across the world. We know none of them give a dam about the truth.

I just want to ser Musk and Zuckerberg punished as the rest.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

$5 says Elon or Meta buy TT and turn it into yet another GOP echo chamber.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

No need to buy anything when they already live rent-free on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

You seem to think that it is for sale, Byte Dance has repeatedly said they will not sell. I also belive the PRC passed a law that would outlaw exporting the algorithom to the new owner

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Because he paid for his influence while China is not. They are “stealing data” they have not paid for and are competing with the NSA/FBI/CIA without sharing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

America bad ooga booga. Really they both should be banned lol. Like yall slinging shit at each other when they both should be gone. Great use of energy Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Just something to think about when it comes to the influence social media has on society

TikTok has already transformed how Americans communicate, influencing language and behavior in ways that may have broader implications. The Chinese government, known for using censorship and language control to maintain social order and suppress dissent, leverages euphemistic language as a tool for manipulating public opinion and silencing critical discourse.

Phrases like “unalive” for suicide or “grape” for rape dilute the meaning and impact of language, making it easier for powerful entities to control narratives and obscure uncomfortable truths. This process, known as “language laundering” or “semantic bleaching,” strips words of their emotional weight and original meaning, making it harder to address sensitive or urgent issues effectively.

This trend has extended beyond language to visuals, with people obscuring letters or censoring words in pictures and posts—using terms like “s**cide” or “r*pe.” While this may help users navigate algorithms designed to suppress certain keywords, it completely erodes the clarity and impact of critical conversations.

The normalization of this behavior on TikTok has permeated Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, and other social media platforms, spreading a culture of diluted language and indirect communication. These practices hinder meaningful discourse, desensitize users to serious issues, and ultimately make it more challenging to engage with sensitive topics in a direct and effective manner. Recognizing and resisting this shift is essential to preserving the integrity of public discussions and fostering authentic engagement.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago
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