There's a sort of misogynistic that thinks women are superior to men (and I assume that's the reason they "hate" women). Spanish director Luis Garcia Berlanga would an example.
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Or how about, rather than your narrow, specific 3 definitions, a fourth thing, such as how it's phrased in the wiki:
Misogyny is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of sexism that can keep women at a lower social status than men.
The emphasis there is why you're being called names on the internet. If you're advocating systems or societal norms of gender oppression, you're being misogynist. This remains true even if you're not doing it intentionally.
The world we live in is deeply patriarchal, so it can be hard to see these problems, because the views and opinions you've got are just "normal". Something being the norm doesn't mean it isn't oppressive, and having an opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't consider the impacts of that opinion.
Generally, if someone calls you a misogynist, and you go "bUt I rEsPeCt wOmEn", you might want to take a little time to figure out where it's coming from. It can certainly be real without fitting in your 3 tidy little self-serving definitions.
I'll also point out that you can replace nearly every instance of misogyny in this thread with racism, and replace women with black, and it would be the same discussion. Or you could swap misogyny/women with misandry/men. Oppression is oppression, no matter who holds the power.
This is such a great explanation, thanks for taking the time to write it all out.
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I think it can boil down to not recognizing the personhood of women. That the infinite complexity that can come from a rich tapestry woven of culture, personality, ability, interests and experiences can be shoved into a narrow and limited role. A misogynist will only see a sex doll, or a maid, or a baby making machine etc, and then judge a woman's worth based on how well they fit in that role. If a woman doesn't perform the roles that person expects or desires then they get angry and hateful that this other human being didn't meet those unreasonable expectations of them.
Misogynists might not think they hate women, just that a woman doesn't "belong" working in a machine shop. They might not consciously think men are superior, but they see certain tasks associated with women (cleaning, care work, teaching) as low value, undesirable or less worthy of respect. They might not actively choose how to divide domestic tasks, but will say that women are "naturally" better at them. And just to be clear, plenty of women are misogynists too.
Not being a misogynist involves seeing women as equally valid and worthy humans on the same bases you would judge any other person (IE, a man).
1 and 2 for sure. 3 if he believes this for all women to be true. Not so much if he only wishes his partner to be traditional. This however needs to be communicated and also wished by the to be house wife. Not so hard really. We are all humans with the same rights, no matter how we look down there or what hormons we got flowing through our veins. Just as we want respect and freedom we need to grant that to those around us. Or face judgement by our peers.
If anyone is wondering why this person thinks it common to call a guy a misogynist, look at this guy's post history.
What? It is NOT at all common to call a guy a misogynist on the internet. It is very rare, except when actual misogynist bubbles come in contact with normal people. Most guys on the web know women and have female relatives whom they respect and appreciate and would therefore usually not act in ways that would justify calling them misogynist.
Points two and three are forms of point one... if you think you're superior to a class of humans then you hate those humans. If you think some people should do something because of the color of their skin or gender then you hate them... you're denying them the same freedom to act that you enjoy.
Look i don't think hate is required for misogony but this point you are making would mean that nearly every human being hates all animals. Just ask people, they LOVE animals. And also to eat them because we believe us to be superior.
not to justify bad behavior, but your points are rather off base. Thinking you're superior to something doesn't mean you hate it.....One might consider themselves superior to plants and not hate them. One might consider Ford superior to Chevy and not hate Chevy. A woman can be misogynistic and consider males superior without hating females. Just because the 2 other points often come along for the ride doesn't mean they are part of the definition and shouldn't be asked.
I think hate, as a word, can mean what the parent comment used it for, though I wouldn't say that's the sense I get when I hear it. It's the meaning in the phrase "hate group" though, which seems pretty relevant.
All 3 of those are misogynistic view points.
Someone who hates or oppresses women. It's an aggressive form of sexism.
Women can have internalized misogyny, as well, it's not just men.
Your #1 is the etymological meaning of the word. For precise usage, there should be at least some element of #2, lest you inadvertently misclassify a misanthrope who hates everybody. That's assuming you're using a gender-inclusive sense of the word 'guy'; anyone can be a misogynist.