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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Huh, so a nuke is more poisonous than arsenic.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Typical deathworlder win. Crazy earthlings who drink the solvent known as dihydrogen monoxide

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Thanks. This will come in useful when I finally have enough.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

No love for the Puffer fish. 🐡

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So drinking gasoline is pretty safe

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Gasoline is better for your health than vitamin C.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

If not for the additive to make it inedible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuckin right? If you're 300lbs, you could apparently drink almost 4kg of gasoline and have a 50/50 shot of survival? Yeah right

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This only compares the risk of death, not other health problems. Also, gasoline is way more readily available in pure form than most other substances, and nobody would drink it voluntarily.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Yeah, I don't buy this shit at all.

How many people die each year from acetaminophen overdoses? Versus how many die from THC?

This whole infographic is a crock of shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

This list is about lethality, not death counts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Death rate is society-dependent. If we only paid with lead coins and never washed our hands, cases of lead poisoning would skyrocket even if the element and our bodies remained the same (and so would LD₅₀).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

You need to consider that a typical dose of acetaminophen is much higher than a typical dose of thc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're confusing 50% lethal dose (medical property of a substance in relation to the body) with death rate (property of a death cause, obtained statistically from a population at a specific time). This is pure medical data which still may be slightly inaccurate, but you can easily check relevant scientific papers for their estimate of the LD₅₀. I think all values presented here are correct within a factor of 2, unless you find a reputable journal stating a very different result. Each substance is available in different concentrations and humans’ exposure to them also varies. You can get lots of pure water, sugar or gasoline easily but not a gram of viruses. Nobody would voluntarily consume a substantial amount of gasoline but nanograms of viruses come and go in the air all the time.

It is somewhat misleading to group poisons, radioactive isotopes and viruses as they work in very different ways, but the gist is correct. And yes, the LD₅₀ is still a statistical estimate dependent on the humans studied, but not on society etc. like the death rate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is somewhat misleading to group poisons, radioactive isotopes and viruses

Far as I can tell there aren't any viruses in there? There's a few bacterial toxins, but they're… well, toxins.

Also, the grouping isn't misleading. Not only is eg. plutonium fairly toxic in addition to giving off ionizing radiation (because it's a heavy metal), but calculating an LD50 for something doesn't require it to be toxic, just that some dose of it kills. There's some µg/kg ingested (or inhaled or whatever) dose of polonium that will kill 50% of a study animal population dead, regardless of what the mechanism that kills them actually is

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are right, those aren't viruses. But you can imagine that a virus or prion might have a very small LD₅₀. I discussed the radioactivity/toxicity in another comment, you are correct - but a tiny amount of any element can quickly kill you from decay radiation if it's a very unstable isotope.

And yes, if you understand what LD₅₀ means, the mechanism is the confusing part. Ingesting naturally occuring uranium will not kill you primarily from radiation despite the ☢️ symbol on the infographic, and vitamin D won't kill you if you only get it from the Sun. And I was primarily correcting the misunderstanding in the above critique, not defending everything about the picture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's probably all correct, but super misleading. There's probably no way to overdose on THC other than drinking loads of highly concentrated oil. Just like there's no way to overdose on LSD, since it gets taken smaller doses.

You consume grams of salt, milligrams of meth, vitamin D, …, and micrograms of acid.

So the important part is “how close is the usual dose people take to the lethal dose, and will your body rebel before you get there (e.g. it's hard to eat that much salt or drink much water)” or in other words “how likely is it to accidentally overdose”.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It's not "super misleading". It's just very simplified. It's an infographic, and inherently lacks nuance. The creator tried with loads of fine print both before and after the pictures, but who reads fine print, right?

The rest of your points are correct, especially the likelihood of accidental overdose. And the OP of this thread is… I'm gonna be generous and stay they are childish. Hopefully they learned something from all of the responses here

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For the THC though it would be grams of pure THC, not grams of weed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I legit cannot imagine consuming 1g of THC let alone 1g/kg, you'd literally be eating thousands of gummies if you're doing edibles (10mg seems to be the strongest edibles I can get) which would be really expensive, rough for a 70kg person would be nearly 9000 10mg gummies which are like $4 cad each, would cost $36,000.

I guess you could do it, but practically, no one is going to do that much

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

At that point just get a crack spoon, warm up some resin, and go to town on your veins. It'll be easier, quicker, cheaper, and probably won't make you want to die from consuming all that food.. You'll still die, just not because you stabbed yourself to relieve the bloating.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tylenol is easier to overdose on than NSAIDs. I really don't think this guide is accurate. I'm really questioning the placement of cocaine and especially ketamine. Vitamin D from the sun? Lethal? I don't believe black widows are that venomous, either. How are they even measuring this? Cocaine will give you a heart attack, Tylenol will shut down your liver, venom acts like an infection... are they basing lethal dose on how much it takes to cause some kind of fatal reaction, or under a controlled administration with a defined "fatal dose" based on a specific measurement, like damage to a human cell?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

LD50 is usually determined using rodent studies. How much Vitamin D causes an overdose in half of a population of mice?

The dose makes the poison.

And with drug safety, in practice LD50 is less important than how close a therapeutic dose is to a lethal one. If a drug takes 2g/kg to kill you but you need 1g/kg to work, that's way more dangerous than one that takes .02g/kg to kill you but only needs .0002g/kg to work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yes, that's basically how it works, see my other comment

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Vitamin C more harmful than gasoline is an interesting one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, very confusing if you don't understand how the data works.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Specifically from the sun, too. I have never heard of anyone dying from too much sun exposure that's not related to the temperature or skin damage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not possible to get 3-3.5 grams (based on bodey weigth) of d vitamin from the sun. Since the body produce about 25 micrograms in 10-15 minutes during peak summer. And would just flush the excess. To be leathal it would need to be in one single dose.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So we need a sun laser beam. Got it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Since the math is wrong with the MDMA entry, I'm sceptical of the accuracy of the rest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Since the maths is wrong with the water sentence, I'm sceptical of the accuracy of the rest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, this thing's a bag of crap

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It's 9 litters of water ingested at once for a 100kg person.

That's 4.5 large bottles of pop filled with water, chugged down as fast as possible, has a roughly 50% chance to kill a person.

That makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you mind providing a source correcting the graph?

Since the graph has a source listed and you don't...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

90g * 100 = 9kg so 9L of water (2 gallons)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

That's nine liters for a 100kg person..

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can ingest nearly 10g of uranium and not die?

Interesting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Depends on the isotope, of course. There are different ways it can hurt you.

  • If you put together a critical mass of ²³⁵U, it undergoes fission and you die in seconds without needing to ingest it.
  • Naturally ocurring uranium (²³³U-²³⁸U, mostly ²³⁸U) has a half-life of billions of years, so it's very weakly radioactive. It would take a lot of it to harm you from decay radiation. Or very little if you pick a very unstable synthetic isotope outside the 233-238 range (but every element "has" such radioactive isotopes, though not in nature).
  • Uranium is chemically toxic, which is whal will kill you if you ingest a small amount of a common isotope.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I think they are referring to Uranium with natural isotopic abundance. Which is complete bullshit when you put a picture of a nuclear power plant behind it – which in most cases can not function with the natural isotopic abundance (heavy water reactors being the exception, not the rule).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a very very cool graphic. Really highlights that MSG is needlessly antagonized. Also so weird to see sarin and nicotine next to each other.

Marketing is a bitch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's not forget this only refers to LD50 not permanent organ damage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder how they came up with the LD50 of all those materials, like THC and LSD. Is this based on theoretical calculation, in vitro tests, or on a (assumably) very small sample of known deaths?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Step 1: Feed/Inject mutliple rat populations with different concentrations
Step 2: See how many die.
Step 3: The concentration which causes 50% of the population to die is the LD50

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

All the above, most likely

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or aspects like arsenic staying in your body a very long time, or the fact that LSD is psychoactive in microgram doses, so you'd need thousands of tabs to die.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly. Gasoline, for example, is remarkably non-toxic, but it will cause instant chemical burns to your throat and lungs, possibly killing you far below the (chemically) lethal dose.

Methanol will turn you blind at a quarter of the listed dose, and those two are just from the top of my head.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weird that alcohol isn't on there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ethanol is drinking type alcohol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

(vapes) Hmmm....

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