I think each individual state should be able to choose whether they stay in the US or not. Every ten years, the citizens of the state voted. If you vote to leave, you can’t come back for ten years. It would take place at the same time as the census.
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Yes, the one aspect of the civil war that I have never agreed with was that a stare can not choose to leave the Union. If a terratory can vote to join the Union, I see no reason why they couldn't vote to leave it. On that note, I would also support the idea that the other states should have the right to vote out a state they no longer want in the Union.
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Vermont... I think we could get this done pretty quick... In fact, I bet the rest of the US wouldn't even notice... Bonus, we'll bring Bernie.
Vermont is already a honorary Canadian province for producing so much maple syrup.
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I'm so down for this.
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Those aren't the states I picture as being closely connected to Canada, but maybe that's because I'm jealous
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If the whole "annex Canada" stuff was just a distraction, this might become a reality, fascists like Trump are highly irrational, and might give them the 3 most western states, especially California.
Am Californian, would seriously consider joining Canada.
Trump could reflexively say whatever (as he does) but so much cargo comes through here his business people wouldn't let him do it. Too much of a tariff risk.
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Sooo, as a Canadian, I'm pretty sure I have the authority to speak for all of us, and as much as I'd love to have you all, I'd rather not tempt fate and accidentally start a war.
Also, Indiana, Idaho, South Dakota and Wyoming, you're expressly not allowed in.
I think Alabama is one where the feeling is mutual.
I wonder what Hawaii and Alaska would think.
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You're not going to allow states that don't border you but you're okay with Montana? And I wouldn't say North Dakota is a bastion of progressivism either.
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Elizabeth May, you’re swell!
Maryland. I'm in. It's closer than you think.
Yeah, right. If California joined they’d be subsidizing health care for the rest of Canada through transfer payments since every province would be considered a “have not province” compared to California.
This is like inviting your billionaire uncle to move in with you and also open a joint bank account.
Edit: just to put some numbers on my point, the GSP (gross state product) of California is $4 trillion, nearly twice that of the GDP of Canada which is $2.18 trillion. Canada’s economy would effectively triple in size by bringing in California.
So?
Do you understand the goal of transfer payments? Because from what you just said you already don't understand how it works.
She's trolling trump. It's not a serious proposition.
One can still fantasize about a brighter future, can they?
Yes, by all means. Considering how dismal it’s about to be in the states, the only ones that would revile you for imaging a brighter future are mostly those who voted to make it darker.
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Isn't this kinda already the case when you compare California to other states? In terms of subsidizing the rest of the country, not healthcare.
Canada has a massive program of equalization transfer payments where taxes collected in rich provinces go to subsidize poor ones. The US does not have anything like this. None of the state governments have their budgets subsidized by other states.
It's federal taxes so it's the federal government that's subsidizing some provinces and not others to make their potential tax revenue per capita the same, the goal is to make sure those provinces aren't left behind.
If the program didn't exist Albertans would still pay those taxes, they would be used to pay for other Canada wide programs.
Bonus: Lil'PP signed on the the current calculation of transfer payments, it was put in place during the Harper years.
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What about New Mexico?
If the US can have Alaska, we can join Canada, right?
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Minnesota welcomes Canada with the traditional poutine and tatortot hotdish border potluck
Please don't leave us behind
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As a Washingtonian, I’m so fucking sold.
I think a lot of us in Washington and Oregon would be all for this. And we can leave the eastern sides out. Northern California is obviously welcome.
Northern California is obviously welcome.
Except for Silicon Valley, right? Or does Canada have better antitrust and worker's rights regulations and enforcement too?
The Bay Area can be excised to form the new US charter city-state of Galt’s Gulch.
Galt’s Gulch
Sounds like a sexually transmitted disease that you can also get from reading too much Ayn Rand 😂
Workers rights are of provincial jurisdiction with some industries being under federal jurisdiction (like banks), so it would mostly be up to the new provinces.
Healthcare coverage is made mandatory by the federal side but is of provincial jurisdiction (so it's not handled the same everywhere).
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Same fucking here!